I was 9 when we last won it all.....THIS FEELS GREAT!

::waiving Terrible Towel:::


Cowher and Hines are now HOF bound....Bettis is also a slam dunk now.


El Yeah!

(and I didn't drink booze)

I'll be happily heading over to the casino tomorrow to collect my winnings. (And I drank your share of booze White!):tu:

That struck me as such a hollow victory with the touchdown taken away from the Seahawks that shouldn't have been and the touchdown given to the Steelers that shouldn't have been. They probably would have won anyway, but it took away momentum the Seahawks had and made the game incredibly boring for me.

I'm glad Cowher got himself a ring, though.

Hmmmm, I'm not bitter. I congratulate the Steelers, and wish them a belated merry Christmas with the gifts that they received today. Perhaps they still would have won, but momentum is a funny thing.

Crower coached a great game. This should make up for the highway robbery that he was victom of in '95. Roethlisberger did an outstanding job, especially considering how green he is. It bogels the mind that at 23, his second season as a pro, he leads his team to victory a Super Bowl.:claplow:

For "The Bus" I have just two words; Weight Watchers. Holy crap, all he did was get the ball and the momentum of falling forward carried him for three yards. He was once a great Back, but I sincerly hope that he makes this his last year. Bus, if you can hear me, go out on top... have some class!

To my beloved Hawks, thank you for a fun season. It's been a few years since we've had some football excitement in this town. Now, GET YOUR @$$3$ TO WORK AND GIT'R DONE NEXT YEAR!!!

It's very, very difficult to get a ring in this day & age....i can appreciate it NO MATTER HOW WE GOT IT! Was this our best game? No....but the 3 wins in the playoffs deserve a championship and I LOVE how Hines Ward got the MVP and the fact that bettis gets his ring in his last game.

Reminds me of SB 9 ...kind of ugly, good defensive effort and not great QB play (good enough tho)....

Big Ben hasn't begun to reach his ceiling and this experience can only help...


I'm off to buy more SB Champ stuff on the net.

Damm this feels great!

It's very, very difficult to get a ring in this day & age....i can appreciate it NO MATTER HOW WE GOT IT! Was this our best game? No....but the 3 wins in the playoffs deserve a championship and I LOVE how Hines Ward got the MVP and the fact that bettis gets his ring in his last game.

Reminds me of SB 9 ...kind of ugly, good defensive effort and not great QB play (good enough tho)....

Big Ben hasn't begun to reach his ceiling and this experience can only help...


I'm off to buy more SB Champ stuff on the net.

Damm this feels great!

Congratulations!!! How much did the refs cost you??

Congratulations!!! How much did the refs cost you??


The refs didn't allow Willie Parker to SET A NEW RECORD W/ THE LONGEST RUN IN SB HISTORY....nor did it stop the BEST TRICK PLAY IN SB HISTORY....not to mention Hasselbak's INT.

WE ARE CHAMPS! (makes up for O'Donnell getting paid in XXX)

We got a ring...It hasn't sunk in yet....so surreal. I cried tonight.

Congrats to the Steelers. They played a great game and that was one of the best Superbowls I've seen in a very long time. The constant action and swinging moment kept me from getting up through most of the game! I didn't want to miss any of the game... or the commercials. The commercials sucked this year, if'n you ask me... except the Budweiser one with the little Clydesdale pulling the wagon. And the Rolling Stones? Those guys are fossils. Damn Janet Jackson and her floppy boob for ruining all the Superbowl halftime fun...

As to the calls in the game... remember, the replays require indisputable, irrevocable evidence to reverse a call on the field. These referees are consummate professionals and don't make calls lightly. I'm sure many a Seahawks fan feels robbed, but rules are rules and they were followed... there's always next year.

-R

Super what ? Bowl ? :confused:

Congratulations!!! How much did the refs cost you??

Agreed. The refs were wearing black and gold at times but thats the way the game is sometimes. I wonder how much that will get touched upon in the media. That holding call and that push were both non issues in my opinion that cost the game for Seattle. Congrats to the Steelers and their fans.

Agreed. The refs were wearing black and gold at times but thats the way the game is sometimes. I wonder how much that will get touched upon in the media. That holding call and that push were both non issues in my opinion that cost the game for Seattle. Congrats to the Steelers and their fans.

Nah. 21-10? That's not officiating. I respect the inclination not to overturn calls if the issue is not 100% clear.

Randle El? Awesome.

Mick Jagger? Awful.

Hmmmm, I'm not bitter. I congratulate the Steelers, and wish them a belated merry Christmas with the gifts that they received today. Perhaps they still would have won, but momentum is a funny thing.

Crower coached a great game. This should make up for the highway robbery that he was victom of in '95. Roethlisberger did an outstanding job, especially considering how green he is. It bogels the mind that at 23, his second season as a pro, he leads his team to victory a Super Bowl.:claplow:

For "The Bus" I have just two words; Weight Watchers. Holy crap, all he did was get the ball and the momentum of falling forward carried him for three yards. He was once a great Back, but I sincerly hope that he makes this his last year. Bus, if you can hear me, go out on top... have some class!

To my beloved Hawks, thank you for a fun season. It's been a few years since we've had some football excitement in this town. Now, GET YOUR @$$3$ TO WORK AND GIT'R DONE NEXT YEAR!!!

LOL... you didn't watch the trophy ceremony, did you... Bettis said that last nights game was the Bus’ last stop :nod:

Roethlisberger did an outstanding job, especially considering how green he is. It bogels the mind that at 23, his second season as a pro, he leads his team to victory a Super Bowl.:claplow:


Seriously. Eli? Yes... YOU, Manning. Quit your whining.

Nah. 21-10? That's not officiating. I respect the inclination not to overturn calls if the issue is not 100% clear.

Randle El? Awesome.

Mick Jagger? Awful.

Those two that I mentioned effected a touchdown and and long play that went into the red zone. To me that is officiating. Holding can be called on any play and it cost them the red zone and that push that got called back was hardly what the rule was put in for. Officiating definetly cost them 7 points and at least another 3 and possibly 7. Of course this is all subject to debate.

This was a great game and it was decided by the players. Calls happen. You still have to make plays.

Besides the ref's calls on the plays you have talked about so far,
how about that one on the INT when the QB made the tackle?
He gets intercepted - and then penalized for tackling???!
That was...what? an illegal block?!
Good game, didn't go my way, but Steelers deserve it anyway...

Agreed. The refs were wearing black and gold at times but thats the way the game is sometimes. I wonder how much that will get touched upon in the media. That holding call and that push were both non issues in my opinion that cost the game for Seattle. Congrats to the Steelers and their fans.


Did you happen to catch the Colts vs Pittsburgh game a couple weeks ago? Who won that game again? The officials weren't the blame for poor clock management, dropped passes, missed field goals, poor punting and overall coaching, the Seahawks were.

Did you happen to catch the Colts vs Pittsburgh game a couple weeks ago? Who won that game again? The officials weren't the blame for poor clock management, dropped passes, missed field goals, poor punting and overall coaching, the Seahawks were.

You mean the Colts were? I didnt see that game and thats not my point.

Now, I have to say that that was a nice run on the steelers part, and that trick play was awesome! Such a tight spiral and right on the money. I must say that I am not a sore loser when it comes to sports, but I personally feel like the Seahawks outplayed the Steelers, on both sides of the ball. Oh well, I still think we proved something making it this far and playing that well at the big game.



And about that 'best run in the superbowl' thing, didnt the Seahawks have the 'best interception return in the superbowl'? :confused:





:tu:

You mean the Colts were? I didnt see that game and thats not my point.


My point is the officials were 3 times worst in the Pitts vs Colts game in favor of the Colts but Pittsburgh didn't let that stop them from winning the game.

The officiating was horrible this entire year and beyond horrible in the post season. A good team finds a way to win despite bad calls.

My point is you can't blame bad calls for dropped passes, missed field goals, poor clock management, etc and so on. Both teams didn't play well yesterday but it doesn't matter what calls were made or which team did better on paper, you have to score the points to win and Pittsburgh did just that.

I'm not a fan of either team so you are getting an unbiased opinion

I'm not a fan of either team so you are getting an unbiased opinion

Neither am I and my unbiased opinion (I want to emphasize that word for both of us) is that the referees threw some flags that were not needed and could have potentially turned the game in Pitts favor.

As to the calls in the game... remember, the replays require indisputable, irrevocable evidence to reverse a call on the field. These referees are consummate professionals and don't make calls lightly. I'm sure many a Seahawks fan feels robbed, but rules are rules and they were followed... there's always next year.
The only part of big Ben that went over the goaline was his arm, and part of his arm was still over the field of play. It would be physically impossible for his ball to be past his arm while he had it tucked. There was no holding on a holding call that would have put Seattle in a position to score another touchdown. The offensive pass interference call should have been a no-call since that is how receivers generally act. He didn't push him to the ground, if you watch the tape he didn't even push him backwards, he just held his hand out. The call where Matt tackled the guy with the ball and they said he was trying to tackle a blocker and penalized them was ridiculous and easily overturnable.
Did you happen to catch the Colts vs Pittsburgh game a couple weeks ago? Who won that game again? The officials weren't the blame for poor clock management, dropped passes, missed field goals, poor punting and overall coaching, the Seahawks were.
Two wrongs. I would say the referees were worse in this game since they botched crucial plays. The Steelers had all the momentum in the Colts game so the "pick that wasn't" didn't do anything to them. The Colts never had a chance, they were completely dominated the entire game. The Seahawks were dominating, they had a touchdown taken away from them by the refs that shouldn't have been, and they had a touchdown given to the Steelers that shouldn't have been (it was 4th down, they probably would have gone for it anyway though) and this was all in the first half.

If you think the refs didn't hand Pittsburgh that game you're nuts. My mother who never watches football said she thought it was ridiculous that at every turn Seattles momentum was taken away from them by penalties.

I'm glad Pittsburgh got another championship, because I like Bill Cowher and Hines Ward, but they didn't win the game. They won the game against the Colts, they didn't win this one.

The only part of big Ben that went over the goaline was his arm, and part of his arm was still over the field of play. It would be physically impossible for his ball to be past his arm while he had it tucked. There was no holding on a holding call that would have put Seattle in a position to score another touchdown. The offensive pass interference call should have been a no-call since that is how receivers generally act. He didn't push him to the ground, if you watch the tape he didn't even push him backwards, he just held his hand out. The call where Matt tackled the guy with the ball and they said he was trying to tackle a blocker and penalized them was ridiculous and easily overturnable.

Two wrongs. I would say the referees were worse in this game since they botched crucial plays. The Steelers had all the momentum in the Colts game so the "pick that wasn't" didn't do anything to them. The Colts never had a chance, they were completely dominated the entire game. The Seahawks were dominating, they had a touchdown taken away from them by the refs that shouldn't have been, and they had a touchdown given to the Steelers that shouldn't have been (it was 4th down, they probably would have gone for it anyway though) and this was all in the first half.

If you think the refs didn't hand Pittsburgh that game you're nuts. My mother who never watches football said she thought it was ridiculous that at every turn Seattles momentum was taken away from them by penalties.

I'm glad Pittsburgh got another championship, because I like Bill Cowher and Hines Ward, but they didn't win the game. They won the game against the Colts, they didn't win this one.


I agree on every point - even being happy that Cowher & Ward have a trophy. One would think that after so many "egg on their face" moments, the NFL would take drastic measures to make sure officiating does not determine the outcome of a game. To date, nothing has changed.

At one point during the game, Madden & Michaels were joking about the bad officiating, comparing the calls during the game against other badly officiated games.

Without question, 14 points were taken off the board for Seattle on a lame offensive interference call, and a weak holding call. Roethlisberger certainly didn't cross the goal line, but I really don't think that is as big an issue as people are making it out to be. Odds are Pittsburgh would've gone for it on 4th and either by QB sneak or handing it to the Bus, they would've gotten 7.

Yes, it's true that good teams overcome bad officiating. It's just that bad officiating usually doesn't occur on multiple game changing plays against the same team.

Roethlisberger certainly didn't cross the goal line, but I really don't think that is as big an issue as people are making it out to be.

He doesn't have to cross the goal line - the ball does. And from the angles I saw, it was very hard to see whether it crossed or not.

31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback.

He doesn't have to cross the goal line - the ball does. And from the angles I saw, it was very hard to see whether it crossed or not.

31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback.

Yeah the touchdown call was a close one since the nose of the football was cupped by his hand an part of his hand did appear cross the front edge of the goal line. Was the football in that part of his hand? The guy on the field thought so and since it's too hard to tell on the replay the Ref. had no choice, but to not over turn it.

The the other calls were crap, but we have good camera angles and slow motion from which to judge someone who has to make a split second decision.

Those calls did hurt Seattle, but they shot themselves in the foot many times also: Missed Field Goals, poor time management, etc.

Just the way I see it.

-- Jeremy

The the other calls were crap, but we have good camera angles and slow motion from which to judge someone who has to make a split second decision.


Nicely put.

:tu:

Hey Homer,

What position did you play this year for the Seahawks?
:p

Oh well, I still think we proved something making it this far and playing that well at the big game.

If you think the refs didn't hand Pittsburgh that game you're nuts. My mother who never watches football said she thought it was ridiculous that at every turn Seattles momentum was taken away from them by penalties.

Then I would suggest not letting your mother talk about things she has no understanding of...

:D

Scoreboard is all that matters, seriously.

Then I would suggest not letting your mother talk about things she has no understanding of...

:D

Scoreboard is all that matters, seriously.

Good thing im not a Seattle fan or I would have been screaming "I was robbed" for 50 years. If I was a Steelers fan I would have smugly said too bad.

You know why other teams fans are hating on us so bad? We took everything away from them. Think about everything they used as smack talk over the years.
Cowher is a choker.
All Ben does is hand off.
Ben is a rookie fluke.
Bettis is old and fat and will never win anything.
Everyone hates Hines Ward.
Joey Porter runs his mouth and never backs it up.
Steelers fans live in the 70's.
Those 4 Super Bowl trophies are old and dusty.
Haven't won anything since Jimmy Carter was President.
It's all gone now. We took it all away from them. So what's the ONLY thing they have left?



"You cheated."

:)



(now back to ordering more SB Champ gear...maybe I'll get an authentic Hines Ward shirt)

just got thi one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/steelerb/DS_110251-xl.jpg

Nah I dont give a shit about the Steelers or anyone else for that matter. Im a Giants fan and if they or the Jets are not in I have no personal stake. Im not hating, just calling it how I see it.

The only time I talked smack about another team is when they were playing the Giants. I talked the most smack about Seattle this year as a matter of fact because of the way we lost to them.

Like I said in my first post Congrats to the Steelers and their fans.

Not for nothin? That MAY be the tackiest shirt I have ever seen.

:blank:

He doesn't have to cross the goal line - the ball does. And from the angles I saw, it was very hard to see whether it crossed or not.
I never saw his hand cross the goaline. The outter part of his elbow, his tricep and his forearm did, the rest did not, the ball was behind the rest.
Scoreboard is all that matters, seriously.
Scoreboard is all that matters 20 years from now when people look back to see who won the superbowl. Right now what matters is what actually happened on the field.
You know why other teams fans are hating on us so bad? We took everything away from them. Think about everything they used as smack talk over the years.
You make the false assumption that I give a shit about the Steelers, or that I even cared about this superbowl. Persecution complexes are not attractive.
"You cheated."
Because that's what I said. :rolleyes:

http://www.lovetoparty.co.nz/images/Popcorn%20Bags%20Large%20Pic.jpg

This is great. Watch the Steelers fans gloat and the Seahawks fans whine. It's a frigging game. Get past it. What's done is ... done. Wanna fight over what kind of cardio is better? It's more productive... :rolleyes:

-R

This is great. Watch the Steelers fans gloat and the Seahawks fans whine. It's a frigging game. Get past it. What's done is ... done. Wanna fight over what kind of cardio is better? It's more productive... :rolleyes:

-R

You wouldnt say that if you were a fan.

Scoreboard is all that matters 20 years from now when people look back to see who won the superbowl. Right now what matters is what actually happened on the field.

You are soooooo close to being right it's impressive. "The only thing that matters is what happened on the field" IS the definition of scoreboard my young friend.

:)

You wouldnt say that if you were a fan.

He might!:p

He might!:p

Yeah he might. He is Bluestreak afterall.

Yeah he might. He is Bluestreak afterall.
You guys are catchin' on. :lol:

-R

He doesn't have to cross the goal line - the ball does. And from the angles I saw, it was very hard to see whether it crossed or not.

31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback.

I was speaking in terms of Roethlisberger (and ball) getting into the end zone. I'm fully aware that the ball needs to break the plane of the goal line, not the player.

I didn't see Letterman last night, but Roethlisberger apparently said he told Cowher that he didn't get in while the officials were looking at the replay.

Bettis is old and fat and will never win anything.


Bettis may have won something, but MAN is he fat. What happens when he's no longer striving to keep his body in peak physical condition? :lol: :lol: My guess? The Bus becomes an R.V.

Bettis may have won something, but MAN is he fat. What happens when he's no longer striving to keep his body in peak physical condition? :lol: :lol: My guess? The Bus becomes an R.V.

Rich people are allowed to be fat -- what's your excuse?

;)

Hey Homer,

What position did you play this year for the Seahawks?
:p

Homer=Hydrant?

I was #12, played cheer in the south end stands! ;)

:)

http://www.lovetoparty.co.nz/images/Popcorn%20Bags%20Large%20Pic.jpg

This is great. Watch the Steelers fans gloat and the Seahawks fans whine. It's a frigging game. Get past it. What's done is ... done. Wanna fight over what kind of cardio is better? It's more productive... :rolleyes:

-R
The funny part is I don't recall any Seahawks fans whinning in this thread. It's the "casual observers" that seem to be.

#1 The refs did a horrible job, but hey, what're you going to do? The Steelers should know first hand what that is like after their last SB appearance.

#2 The Seahawks made some mistakes that were costly. Period.

#3 The Steelers, while they were out-played in every stat but one, touchdowns, came away with the "w".

Bottom line; that's football. It's true that on any given Sunday, any team can beat any other team. That's what makes the Super Bowl fun, and the NFL completely different from any other professional team sport, at least that I'm aware of.

One last thing ....got this snippet off the Net: Very interesting

"It's funny how no one in the Seattle camp is bemoaning the incomplete call on the third-and-2 pass tight end Jerramy Stevens clearly caught in Steelers' territory before being popped by free safety Chris Hope and fumbling.

The Steelers were denied a recovery and potential return.

Not that anyone's complaining about that.

There's also a lack of angst over the flag for offensive pass interference thrown at Steelers tight end Heath Miller late in the second quarter. That turned a third-and-5 at the Seahawks 17-yard line into a second-and-20 at the Seattle 32.

The Steelers overcame their bad break and scored a TD, anyway.

What stopped the Seahawks from doing the same?

It wasn't the zebras.

No, the Seahawks lost because:


Strong safety Michael Boulware whiffed on a clean shot at running back Willie Parker on Parker's record-setting 75-yard TD run.

Kicker Josh Brown missed 50- and 54-yard field goal attempts (accuracy rather than distance was the issue in both instances).

Stevens repeatedly dropped critical passes.

The Seahawks' vaunted offensive line lost the battle of the trenches.

Punter Tom Rouen (and cornerback Jordan Babineaux) couldn't pin the Steelers deep once.

Fullback Mack Strong (on a third-and-3 reception) and wide receiver Darrell Jackson (trying to get his feet in bounds) were too often more nonchalant than possessed in their efforts.

The Seahawks' defense got suckered on a 43-yard gadget for a TD.
Holmgren should bring all that up the next time there's a get-together at Qwest Field.

And he should bring a team as schooled in responding to adversity as the Steelers to his next Super Bowl."


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/steelerslive/s_421694.html




YEAH! That's right!

::worm dance::

One last thing ....got this snippet off the Net: Very interesting

YEAH! That's right!

::worm dance::
It's always funny to me to watch fans of both teams be completely delusional. There were horrible calls, the majority of the horrible calls went against Seattle, and they were much more grevious because they literally cost Seattle touchdowns. A ball in the end-zone, a ball that shouldn't have been in the end-zone, a ball on the two yard line. That would have been a three touchdown swing. If you think that isn't major, and that didn't decide the game, then you're absolutely insane.

The NFL seriously needs to hire full-time refs. It's not like they don't have the money to do it.

I agree the NFL should hire full time refs. It's BS they don't put these guys on full time, year round. They work their tails off.

That still isn't going to stop fans from bitching about every little thing regarding the officiating. It is an obsession to second guess calls and outcomes based on calls in all sports- especially in the big games.

The Steelers won because they were the better team.

This is from NFL.com

31. Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not a touchback.

The PLANE of the opponent’s goal line extends upwards to infinity… that means that while he was in the air, before the other player impacted him and pushed him back over the goal line onto the field, the ball DID cross the front of the PLANE of the goal line… get it?

Geeze… I’m a woman who didn’t know shit about football until Roger explained it all to me while we were in college and even I knew that :rolleyes: :p

Oh and I’m not a Steelers or a Seahawks fan… my teams are the Bronco’s (I’m from Denver) and the Buc’s (local team)

I enjoyed the game, I agree that there were some missed calls, and a few bad calls… however, since there was not irrefutable evidence that the ball did not cross the plane of the goal line, the ref could not overturn the original call… and all the crying in the world won’t change that... was it a controversial call... yes... but how many games have you watched that DIDN’T have at least one controversial call? Not many would be my guess.

The PLANE of the opponent’s goal line extends upwards to infinity… that means that while he was in the air, before the other player impacted him and pushed him back over the goal line onto the field, the ball DID cross the front of the PLANE of the goal line… get it?
No, it didn't. His hand never went over the goal line. Part of his forearm and his bicep were still infront of the goal line. The ball was behind that.
Oh and I’m not a Steelers or a Seahawks fan… my teams are the Bronco’s (I’m from Denver)
:tucool: The Broncos are of course the greatest team in the NFL :tucool:

irrefutable evidence that the ball did not cross the plane of the goal line, the ref could not overturn the original call
Sure there was. All the ref had to do was pull a Madden. Draw a line from the goal line straight up. Play the clip through it. Parts of his arm would have been behind the line, and the ball has to be behind that. Irrefutable evidence! :D

The blocking call against Hasselbeck would have taken a second to overturn.

As for the pass interference and the holding, those are judgement calls, but there was no holding, and the pass interference only got called when the DB turned to the ref and started throwing a hissyfit, and the ref bent to his will. You can see from the replay he wasn't going to throw the flag until the DB got in his face.

No, it didn't. His hand never went over the goal line. Part of his forearm and his bicep were still infront of the goal line. The ball was behind that.



I would agree that the ball was not over the goal line when he LANDED... however, I believe that it did cross the plane of the goal line, while in the air... and I agree that they should have drawn a line up from the goal line and then re-played that play to determine if it did indeed cross onto the line... it does not have to pass the line, only be over the initial point where the line begins... not that it matters, because once the play is challenged and the the call is upheld, it can't be overturned and it's now history... whether people like it or not :moon: :p

As for the pass interference and the holding, those are judgement calls, but there was no holding, and the pass interference only got called when the DB turned to the ref and started throwing a hissyfit, and the ref bent to his will. You can see from the replay he wasn't going to throw the flag until the DB got in his face.

That's not true.
If you watch the replay carefully the ref went for the flag and missed grabbing it before the defensive player went in arms waving and lips flapping. Watch the replay again and you will see what I am talking about. The ref was going to pull the flag regardless of the defenders bitching

Most of the so called bad calls were judgement calls.
The only calls I had a problem with were the low block called on Hasselbeck and the holding call against Seattle

That's not true.
If you watch the replay carefully the ref went for the flag and missed grabbing it before the defensive player went in arms waving and lips flapping. Watch the replay again and you will see what I am talking about. The ref was going to pull the flag regardless of the defenders bitching.

This is true if I remember correctly he grabbed his bean bag instead of the flag then reached for the flag after the DB had turned around to start complaining, but you could definately tell he intended to throw the flag the whole time.

I remember originally thinking "Damn he complained and got the call?",but then on the replays you could see the official reaching for his flag and either missiing it our getting his bean bag.

-- Jeremy

Ahem.

If Carson didn't get injured, Cincy would be the World Champs.

Anyways.

If the ref doesn't call Ben's jump a TD initially, it wouldn't have gotten overturned. Did he cross the line? Doesn't look like it, but theres no way the ref was going to overturn something that close.

The phantom holding was a bad call, and cost the Hawks good position.

The PI should have been a no-call. The DB had no chance to defend anyways.

All of this matters none though. Steelers were the benefactors of Seattles major mess ups, including the end of the half play. One of the sloppiest games I've ever seen, especially for a Championship.

And off topic,

Cowher needs to learn some class. Having a rivalry with another team is one thing, but he has crossed the line twice. Why try and put down Cincinnati after you won the SB? Seems like someone is a bit immature.

Ok this is the last I have to sy about the Ref cheated thing:

20 Reasons Seattle Can't Blame the Refs
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For the Seattle crybabies and other excuse makers...print this out and give it to them, no need to say anything.

1. The Refs didn't give up the longest run in SB history...Seattle's defense did.
2. The Refs didn't bite on a 43 yd trick play, Randle to Ward for a TD...Seattle's defense did.
3. The Refs didn't allow Ben to scramble around on a 3rd and 28 and complete a long pass to the 2 yd. line...Seattle's defense did.
4. The Refs didn't miss two field goals, that was Seattle.
5. The Refs didn't fail to step out of bounds late in the 1st half to stop the clock in Pitt territory in a crunch time situation...Seattle's offense did.
6. The Refs didn't let the 1st half clock tick down from 48 seconds all the way down to 13 seconds before finally running their next play at Pitt's 36 yd line...Seattle's offense did.
7. And on this play, 3rd down, 53 yds away from a FG, it wasn't the Refs who tried and failed to go deep for a TD rather than a safer 5-7 yd play and timeout setting up a much easier FG attempt....that, again, would be Seattle's offense.
8. The Refs didn't get confused by Pitt's zone defense and throw an INT...that would be Seattle's QB.
9. The Refs didn't let a little physical contact intimidate them from catching 4 very catchable passes...that would be the Seattle TE Jeremy Stevens.
10. With approx. 20 seconds left in the game, knowing they need a TD and FG, in no particular order, and in easy FG range on 4th down, it wasn't the Refs who ignored the FG and elected to throw up a prayer trying for a TD...that AGAIN would be Seattle.

And Seattle if you're Steel crying and steel reaching for excuses...
11. The Refs didn't constantly punt deep into the end zone, repeatedly giving Pitt the ball at the 20 yd line...that of course was Seattle.
12. It wasn't the Refs who received a Christmas gift wrapped easy INT lobbed in perfect position to return deep into Pitt territory...the lucky beneficiary of that break would be Seattle.
13. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when a Steeler DB dropped an easy int early in the game...that too would be a break for Seattle.
14. It wasn't the Refs who caught a break when a Steeler WR dropped a very catchable TD pass...that break again would go to Seattle.
15. It wasn't the scapegoat Refs that received a break when a WR caught the ball, turned, stepped, was hit hard enough to cause a fumble, and then ruled INCOMPLETE...that would be of course, another chance for Seattle.
(this was an interesting call considering that after Troy's famous overruled Int, the NFL stated that it WAS a catch. If so, than this definitely WAS a catch)
16. The Refs werent the ones who caught a break when at the conclusion of a 2nd qtr play, as a Pitt DE was walking away, the Seattle Center blindsided the defenseless player, leveling him to the ground. This mysteriously unseen crime was again another break for Seattle.
17. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when Pitt QB Big Ben was blocked in the back as he pursued the DB who he'd tossed an int to...that again would go to Seattle.
18. It wasn't the Refs who stopped Seattle RB Alexander in a few key situations. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
19. It wasn't the Refs who converted many of their 3rd downs yet stopped their opponent on 3rd down often...that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
20. And the very bottom line is this...On plays when there wasn't any penalties...One team made plays and one team didn't. The end result was the final score, 21-10 Seattle was outcoached and outplayed.

:rolleyes: Is this still going on?

:rolleyes: Is this still going on?

No....now it's over LOL

I don't think I'll ever forget this game.

No....now it's over LOL
Hahaha You're a good man, Charlie Brown. Enjoy your team's victory.:tu:

No....now it's over LOL
I could refute most of what you said by pointing out the times when Seattle dominated the Steelers. You know, that whole first half thing (with the total offense advantage, the t.o.p. advantage and the first down advantage)? With the 16 and 32 yard punt returns that were brought back by the refs, the the touchdown that Pittsburgh didn't score, the touchdown that was taken away from Seattle by that 'pass interference call.' That pick you talk about in the first, do you mean the one that came after the phantom holding call which would have put Seattle at the 1 yard line? I thought you might have meant that one. And that return of the INT, that was awesome. I mean the call on Hasselbeck for the illegal tackle which gave Pittsburgh another 15 yards. That was a good call. :tu: Hey, didn't that gadget play come right after that? :whistle:

But it's not worth it. It's not like if the refs didn't make the wrong calls the score would have been 14-3 Seattle at halftime (o wait, it would have been exactly like that :blank: ). You won both the arguement and the game. :)