Hey JSFer's, some of you might know that I’m trying to get lean using the velocity diet, well over the last 10 days or so I have changed it somewhat and started cooking low carb meals using my Gourmet Nutrition e-book. It’s a great book btw if you want to learn some tasty healthy meals I would take a look.

Anyway, I ordered Precision Nutrition a few weeks ago and hope to get the package this week, it includes Gourmet Nutrition and 5 other books in print. I've learn on another forum that the PN plan starts with a one size fits all meal plan for the first 3 to 5 weeks and its recommended not to count calories, well JB (author) might be an expert but I doubt I can do that and not feel very uneasy so this is what I was thinking of doing.

4C + 4P + 9F = 17/3 = 5.7cals

I'm sure alot of you realize I just used the amount of cals per unit gram of Carb/Protein/Fat and then I just took the average of the three.

I've been thinking the last 24h or so in using this simple approach while cooking all healthy meals and following the PN guidelines.

Training days - 440 total grams of Food.
Non Training Days - 385 total grams of Food.

Based on the average of 5.7cals
Training days - 440 X 5.7 = 2508cals
Non Training Days - 385 X 5.7 = 2194cals

Most of my carbs will be veggies and simple sugars pre/post workout. Very little starchy carbs which will only come in the post workout window, after an intense training session.

I should also get my digital food scale sometime this week to measure the food.

What do you guys think? Pros and Cons? You think it’s a good temporary approach? And go ahead none of this see if its works for you copout. :)

No input folks?

Honestly, myself, knowing what I know about macros and such, I'd never take the average of all three and include that amount of each in a daily approach. Not only it is very beneficial to have plans for days you weight train and days you do not (as surely eating will differ on these two days, or let me say, it should!), different combos of meals and when they are eaten are also crucial in one's body composition change for the better.


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Personally, I think that's a pretty poor way to approach the diet.

How can you take the average calories of carbs, fat and protein when fat has over 2x the amount of calories per gram?

Your daily calories can be GREATLY skewed if it's very fat heavy or very protein/carb heavy.

I would figure out how many calories you want per day (your numbers might be low, but I don't know how much you weigh) and then decide roughly how many grams of fat and then roughly how many grams of protein/carbs.

Otherwise the approach sounds good. I would just rather see you aiming for a calorie goal as opposed to an overall "grams of food" goal. That approach leaves way too much room for unintentional error.

I will be following the PN guidelines and all there meals/recipes. So the macro ratios and timing are almost taken care of. Its just temporary for 3 to 5weeks before i get a lot more detailed.

Of course i won't be cosuming any starchy carbs on off days and my total calories will be lower.

Its a simplistic approach no doubt.

I will also be going on a very high freqency training plan so if i hit higher then i expect cals and considering it will be all clean foods i will probably not suffer at all.

Thanks for the input.

Seems like you already had your mind made up...

:gl:

There's probably a reason that the program asks you not to count calories. Perhaps it's trying to teach you the skill of eating only what fills you up, or it's trying to make it less of a hassle to put together your meals.

The way I see it, your calorie estimation will be so astronomically far off that you would be better off to not do any estimation at all. Nothing wrong with not counting. If you MUST count calories, it only makes sense to do it more accurately.

Yep i pretty well have my mind made up lol

If the fats is about %30 of the total cals which is about what it is under PN the calorie total shouldn't be off all that much.

Its a one size fit all plan at the beginning to get the 10rules down before customizing the diet to your tolerances and needs.

Here's the first 7:
1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8 meals per day.

2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean protein with each meal.

3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.

4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.

5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat), monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil, salmon oil).

6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being water and green tea.

7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).
So what about calories, or macronutrient ratios, or any number of other things that I’ve covered in other articles? The short answer is that if you aren’t already practicing the above-mentioned habits, and by practicing them I mean putting them to use over 90% of the time (i.e., no more than 4 meals out of an average 42 meals per week violate any of those rules), everything else is pretty pointless.

If the fats is about %30 of the total cals which is about what it is under PN the calorie total shouldn't be off all that much.
At least change your equation then. I cannot let bad math stand.

4C(.40) + 4P(.30) + 9F(.30) = 1.6 + 1.2 + 2.7 = 5.5 cals

You're not working in a factor for fibre?

At least change your equation then. I cannot let bad math stand.

4C(.40) + 4P(.30) + 9F(.30) = 1.6 + 1.2 + 2.7 = 5.5 cals

You're not working in a factor for fibre?

That makes sense guava thanks, i don't really know how to factor in fiber frankly like i said this will only be for 3 to 5 weeks and of course i might have to adjust it at anytime.

For the 3+ weeks i will learn a couple dozen healthy meals and train like a mad man, working up to hitting all the major muscle groups 8x per week.

I guess i shouldn't really describe this has a leaness phase but the first steps towards that uilmate goal.

Each muscle group 8x per week?? :eek:

That's each muscle group more than once a day!

Each muscle group 8x per week?? :eek:

That's each muscle group more than once a day!

Yep

Its Waterburys High Freqency System

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=905832&pageNo=0

I've responded great to all his work so f