I really like this guy. After you read the article you'll see why I like him. Many of you will probably call him a "quack" or something, but he is right in line with where I'm coming from...

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=885647

Some good points:

How much protein does an athlete need? What's the protein source? How was the protein raised? Is it organic protein or commercially raised protein? How bioavailable is the protein? How functional is the athlete's digestive system?

The US Department of Agriculture has approved the feeding of sawdust, plastic chips, industrial waste, sewage, cement dust, and dead animal parts to commercially raised animals. These are toxins, and the body stores toxins in fat.

This causes the animal to pack on tremendous amounts of fat because all animal bodies, including humans, use fat to wall toxins off away from the nervous system and the vital organs. When they sell these animals, they don't do body fat checks on them and say that some are too fat.

So what they're essentially doing is selling us huge amounts of toxic fat. Red meat isn't bad for you, but commercially raised and poisoned meat is.

The longer a food lasts on the shelf, the worse it is for you. Nothing that you should be eating should last more than about a week. If it lasts a month or a year, then it's going to have a lot of chemicals in it or the food processors have had to kill all the enzymes.
(except coconut oil!):D

The people who say that organic food is no better then regular are what's technically known as controlbots. A controlbot is somebody whose mind has been taken over by corporate entities or religion or anybody who has an agenda.

The people who say organic food is no better are equivalent to people who don't have enough mental capacity to ask and answer their own questions. They are puppets for the media. All they're doing is regurgitating the garbage that's been fed to them by people who have a strategic plan.

In order for a human being to have a full life, a full experience of God's creation, the universe around us and the earth beneath our feet, you have got to clean up, purify, and fine tune your body to the point where you have access to the truth. When I say truth I mean what's going on at all levels of reality.

Can you feel the chi moving through the soil when you stand on the grass? Can you communicate with plants and trees? Can feel the energy fields on human beings and animals? Can you feel a bird fly by or can you only see it?

These are all things that are very normal experiences for healthy people with a spiritual life who are in sound physical health.

You could have picked better quotes IMHO; if one only reads what you pasted to this thread then "quack" was indeed a good term.

I have not read anything of his until now, and after reading these quotes I don't really want to. Maybe I should give him a fair chance, but those quotes make it difficult.

Chek is one of the best in the industry. I've actually considered taking a trip out to Vista, CA to spend some time at the Chek Institute.

You could have picked better quotes IMHO; if one only reads what you pasted to this thread then "quack" was indeed a good term.

I have not read anything of his until now, and after reading these quotes I don't really want to. Maybe I should give him a fair chance, but those quotes make it difficult.

If you think that about those quotes then his whole deal is probably not your cup of tea. That's just him from what I've read... and I actually agree with pretty much everything he says. I'm pretty "out there" though, I guess.:lol:

If you think that about those quotes then his whole deal is probably not your cup of tea. That's just him from what I've read... and I actually agree with pretty much everything he says. I'm pretty "out there" though, I guess.:lol:
Oh no, I should have explained better, I apologize. Actually the ideas are probably fine (I'm assuming as I have not read anything but what you posted), I just don't care for how he presents things, that's all. :)

"...don't have the mental capacity..." I just thought he could be nicer about it. :D

Thanks Travis :)

he is a wierd guy but he really did a lot to advance the fitball and core training

I just don't care for how he presents things, that's all. :)

"...don't have the mental capacity..." I just thought he could be nicer about it. :D


That's true. It doesn't sound very nice. This dude is right on though. I'm kinda crass like that too sometimes, so maybe it endears him to me. :confused:

I will say he pretty much summed up how I feel about alot of stuff, especially nutritionally. Also his spiritual and consciousness takes are really cool. I've had those intense moments of consciousness before where you can "feel" the bird. Only fleetingly though. It is incredible, and he is existing on a higher plane to have that knowledge and experience. It is attainable through fitness and spirituality. I'd love to train with that guy.

Oh no, I should have explained better, I apologize. Actually the ideas are probably fine (I'm assuming as I have not read anything but what you posted), I just don't care for how he presents things, that's all. :)

"...don't have the mental capacity..." I just thought he could be nicer about it. :D

Fast, why are you backtracking? You were correct the first time.

I don't know much about this guy personally, but from the quotes posted here, he sounds like a crackpot.

The meat being sold is actually toxic fat? So, what toxins are in this fat? At what levels are they? Are they at harmful levels? If so, what documented effects to they have, and where is the research that demonstrates this? And please don't say that the studies don't exist because of some vast governmental conspiracy. That excuse gets really old.....

The people who say that organic food is no better then regular are what's technically known as controlbots. A controlbot is somebody whose mind has been taken over by corporate entities or religion or anybody who has an agenda.


So, in other words, if you disagree with him on this issue, you are by default, a non-thinking drone that just swallows corporate propaganda. Seems like a cheap way to win the argument from the start without actually having the debate. Pretty convenient for him I guess. But seriously, any data on this to back up the claim that organic foods result in greater health benefits than non-organic food?

to the point where you have access to the truth. When I say truth I mean what's going on at all levels of reality.


What truth is that? What other "levels of reality" is he talking about?


Can you feel the chi moving through the soil when you stand on the grass? Can you communicate with plants and trees? Can feel the energy fields on human beings and animals? Can you feel a bird fly by or can you only see it?

What is "chi"? What is this "energy" and how is it measured? Are there any instruments that can measure "chi" levels and "energy fields"? How do you "feel" a bird fly by?

Fast, why are you backtracking? You were correct the first time.
:confused: What are you talking about? I'm not backtracking. I'm just trying to be polite and clarify my original thought. I don't care if he wants to talk about feeling birds and the Chi (I thought that was a hair straightener); I was more annoyed with his "I'm right, you're wrong" tone. That turns me off big time.

I don't like when people act pompous like that. There are better ways to get your point across without talking down to people and acting like you're better than they are.

:confused: What are you talking about? I'm not backtracking. I'm just trying to be polite and clarify my original thought. I don't care if he wants to talk about feeling birds and the Chi (I thought that was a hair straightener); I was more annoyed with his "I'm right, you're wrong" tone. That turns me off big time.

I don't like when people act pompous like that. There are better ways to get your point across without talking down to people and acting like you're better than they are.

Ok -- I gotcha. I guess I interpreted your original post to reflect the same feelings I had when reading the quotes -- but I must have misunderstood. Sorry about that.

I certainly don't doubt the guy has some excellent training advice, but he does seem a little "out there" ... and I would like to see some substantiation of his claims. I hate it when people make these broad statements about how we are all being poisoned by our food supply, but then they don't provide any evidence to support those claims.

It's interesting to see where threads go on certain subjects. I actually didn't even read the information presented originally, because I knew of Paul and the Chek Institute before this was brought up. I guess that view points will always be based on where ones point of reference comes from. Opinions today on training and nutrition are surely different than those 6 months ago, because the baseline reference has changed in that time.
Just for kicks and giggles...come back and read subject matter (any subject matter) this time next year, and see where your viewpoint on the same subject is then. Or...look at something from a year ago, and see what your feelings on the subject are now.

I actually didn't even read the information presented originally, because I knew of Paul and the Chek Institute before this was brought up. I guess that view points will always be based on where ones point of reference comes from.
And I read nothing but the original quotes, which is why I was quick to point that out in my second post (or why I backtracked, right Joe? j/k ;)). I didn't want to say anything negative about Paul without reading more about him.

But hey, Arthur Jones is a brilliant, brilliant man, and I don't know of anyone who would consider him the nicest guy on earth. :D

But hey, Arthur Jones is a brilliant, brilliant man, and I don't know of anyone who would consider him the nicest guy on earth. :D
Case in point...I've not read anything by Jones directly, so being brand new to his ideas, I may not agree. Though it is more likely that at this point for myself, I would see how his ideas are similar or dis-similar to what I have already studied, both formally and informally.
This time next year, I could think that he was a training god. :bow:

Case in point...I've not read anything by Jones directly, so being brand new to his ideas, I may not agree. Though it is more likely that at this point for myself, I would see how his ideas are similar or dis-similar to what I have already studied, both formally and informally.
This time next year, I could think that he was a training god. :bow:
Also note that I was saying that Travis did a bad job picking examples of Paul's writings.

"If you've never thrown up from a set of (bicep) curls, you don't know what hard work is!" - Arthur Jones (He was joking but this one is famous.)

Also note that I was saying that Travis did a bad job picking examples of Paul's writings.



I'm tellin' you, everything he said was like that...

I never really got off on Chek personally, i wonder what he uses to brush his teeth :D

He certainty was on the money about organic foods but that's nothing new but all the temple stuff i figured this guy must be a hardcore starwars fan, instead of "the force", "the temple". :lol: