Does anyone know of a good fat burner?

Does anyone know of a good fat burner?


Do a search. There have been numerous threads on this subject.:tucool:

Does anyone know of a good fat burner?

Cardio?

Clicking the search button burns a lot of calories. ;)

Ephedrine. And only when proper diet, training, rest, etc. are in place already.

I just dont know how much more .It takes to long to move a pound of weight.I keep falling off my diet .It really getting to me.

I just dont know how much more .It takes to long to move a pound of weight.I keep falling off my diet .It really getting to me.


You've just answered your own question. You have to WORK for it. No one said this shit was easy. There's no magic pill.

Find a product which has ephedrine in it...If you have any questions, pm me...:whistle:

for some reason that mastover (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/member.php?u=8459)fella is against ephedrine.
to me, that says alot even without knowing his reasoning.

for some reason that mastover (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/member.php?u=8459)fella is against ephedrine.
to me, that says alot even without knowing his reasoning.

Yea, a lot of ppl. are not comfortable with it. But for those who have trouble loosing fat, it helps a lot. It's a personal choice just like most things...:D

Yea, a lot of ppl. are not comfortable with it. But for those who have trouble loosing fat, it helps a lot. It's a personal choice just like most things...:D
so is lyposuction

...:D

Yea, a lot of ppl. are not comfortable with it. But for those who have trouble loosing fat, it helps a lot. It's a personal choice just like most things...:D

Pet peeve No. 1 - Loose vs. Lose

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so is lyposuction

...:D
That's true...Goodf one Dude...:lol:

Pet peeve No. 1 - Loose vs. Lose

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

There is nothing wrong with ephedrine. Of course, it can be harmful if you don't take it right, but name something that isn't?

There is nothing wrong with ephedrine. Of course, it can be harmful if you don't take it right, but name something that isn't?

This is so true...:claplow:
It's funny that no one had a problem with it (as far as I can tell) until the FDA said "it was :evil:. :lol:

This is so true...:claplow:
It's funny that no one had a problem with it (as far as I can tell) until the FDA said "it was :evil:. :lol:

That's because they weren't the ones making the money :lol:

That's because they weren't the ones making the money :lol:
it's good to see you guys have it all figured out.

it's good to see you guys have it all figured out.

thanks:lol:

it's good to see you guys have it all figured out.

Does that come as a surprise to someone who knows everything?

You can take all the pills that you want or have all the surgery that you want. The bottom line is that these shortcuts do not alter lifestyle choices, and will most likely lead back to the beginning of the journey. John Maxwell once said that the shortest distance to failure is a shortcut.

That's my two cents. :D

You can take all the pills that you want or have all the surgery that you want. The bottom line is that these shortcuts do not alter lifestyle choices, and will most likely lead back to the beginning of the journey. John Maxwell once said that the shortest distance to failure is a shortcut.

That's my two cents. :D


taking ephedrine for the help in dropping fat when you're having trouble doing so is fine. It isn't for long term use. It's not a short cut, it's assistance for those of us who are already eating clean.

Does anyone know of a good fat burner?

A 20km row does a nice job.

Checkout this link for burning fat.:tu:

http://www.baye.com/journal/bayejournal0018.html

taking ephedrine for the help in dropping fat when you're having trouble doing so is fine. It isn't for long term use. It's not a short cut, it's assistance for those of us who are already eating clean.

And at what point is it okay to do so and not be considered a shortcut?

And at what point is it okay to do so and not be considered a shortcut?
When you use it as assistance after already having diet, training, rest, etc. in place.

And at what point is it okay to do so and not be considered a shortcut?

That's where you and I differ...I don't consider it a short cut.

We just happen to disagree on this which is ok...:tu:

That's where you and I differ...I don't consider it a short cut.

We just happen to disagree on this which is ok...:tu:

I can live with that. :nod:

When you use it as assistance after already having diet, training, rest, etc. in place.
Chris, I understand where you're coming from. In my mind, however, it is still a shortcut or a crutch. As Mick pointed out, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

It took all those years to put the fat on, why in such a dire hurry to take it all off???

Chris, I understand where you're coming from. In my mind, however, it is still a shortcut or a crutch. As Mick pointed out, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.
Do you take any supplements?

You can probably see where I'm going with that question...

Do you take any supplements?

You can probably see where I'm going with that question...

I understand where you're going with that. However, I do not equate supplements, which are adding what the body wants and needs, in the same category as a carb blocker or appetite suppresent, such as ephedrine.

Does ephedrine work? Sure. Is it necessary to get past the hump in the weight loss road? IMO, no. A change in diet and/or training regimen most likely will do the trick.

And for the record, the only supplements that I take is an organic daily vitamin and an herb that is supposed to aid in the prevention of prostate cancer, which there is a family history of.

The bottom line is to each their own. There are many paths to follow to get to the same destination. It's just a matter of which path one is willing to follow; the long, hard road or... :D

I understand where you're going with that. However, I do not equate supplements, which are adding what the body wants and needs, in the same category as a carb blocker or appetite suppresent, such as ephedrine.
A carb blocker or appetite suppressant is not a supplement? Why? What do you consider supplements? Creatine? Creatine is not necessary for muscle growth, but it sure does help. Mega-dose of BCAA is not necessary, but it helps. I just don't see how you differentiate ephedrine from other products. Not trying to argue, trying to understand, that's all. :) Unless we're discussing safety or legality, of which I can understand some points (maybe, depends on the argument and the person who is using ephedrine).

Does ephedrine work? Sure. Is it necessary to get past the hump in the weight loss road? IMO, no. A change in diet and/or training regimen most likely will do the trick.
Agreed! Not necessary by ANY means. In fact, I'd venture to say the vast majority of ephedrine users don't know what they're doing. ("Oh, all I gotta do is take that pill and the fat will magically disappear!")

And for the record, the only supplements that I take is an organic daily vitamin and an herb that is supposed to aid in the prevention of prostate cancer, which there is a family history of.
That's cool. My supplement usage is much smaller nowadays as well. Multi, Vit. C, BCAA, and Protein (one could argue that protein isn't really a supplement either I suppose, maybe).

The bottom line is to each their own. There are many paths to follow to get to the same destination. It's just a matter of which path one is willing to follow; the long, hard road or... :D
Agreed. To each his or her own. I'm not a huge ephedrine fan anyway, I just don't have any problems with it like some people do. The ban irritated me, but that's treading into political discussion waters, so I'm going to be quiet. :D

A carb blocker or appetite suppressant is not a supplement? Why? What do you consider supplements? Creatine? Creatine is not necessary for muscle growth, but it sure does help. Mega-dose of BCAA is not necessary, but it helps.

Creatine is indeed necessary for muscle growth. It's a naturally occuring substance that the body produces on it's own.

As for branched chain amino acids, like all protiens and amino acids, are vital to the human body. BCAA are paramount for muscle growth, stimulation and recovery. They are also contained in many of the protein-source foods that we eat.

I just don't see how you differentiate ephedrine from other products. Not trying to argue, trying to understand, that's all. :) Unless we're discussing safety or legality, of which I can understand some points (maybe, depends on the argument and the person who is using ephedrine).

I enjoy good conversation, so no worries. I'm not trying to argue either; just explaing my earlier comment(s) and train of thought.

Okay, can we agree that a shortcut is simply taking a shorter way to getting to a given point? My comment about taking ephedrine as a shortcut is meant exactly as that. If one chooses to use it to help shave the ol' love handles, as opposed to changing diet/training regimen, isn't that a shortcut? Do I consider taking creatine and BCAA a shortcut? I do. Are all of these effective methods of reaching a goal? Yes. Are they bad? No, not if used responsibly. If abused, then yes.

In fact, I'd venture to say the vast majority of ephedrine users don't know what they're doing. ("Oh, all I gotta do is take that pill and the fat will magically disappear!")

Exactly. The need for instant gratification that exists in society brings this attitude on. I have a major problem with this thought process. This is what my original comment was geared towards. Not that if somebody takes the stuff that they will fail, but that the use of ephedrine to "melt the fat" is, and that chances are it will be lost and then it will come back with a vengence.

That's cool. My supplement usage is much smaller nowadays as well. Multi, Vit. C, BCAA, and Protein (one could argue that protein isn't really a supplement either I suppose, maybe).

I don't have a problem with what you have listed, and will probably get to the point that I'm taking pretty much the same things. I'm certainly not against supplements, but do feel that some are certainly shortcuts.

Agreed. To each his or her own. I'm not a huge ephedrine fan anyway, I just don't have any problems with it like some people do. The ban irritated me, but that's treading into political discussion waters, so I'm going to be quiet. :D

Shhhhhh :whistle: :D

Creatine is indeed necessary for muscle growth. It's a naturally occuring substance that the body produces on it's own.
Oops, I was not aware I needed to be so specific. How about this - supplementing with Phosphagen HP is not necessary for muscle growth, but it can help. :)

As for branched chain amino acids, like all protiens and amino acids, are vital to the human body. BCAA are paramount for muscle growth, stimulation and recovery. They are also contained in many of the protein-source foods that we eat.
Okay... I thought we were discussing what was a supplement and what wasn't. :) You were saying there were differences in supplements and appetite suppressents and carb blockers. I was just curious why you didn't feel those two were supplements. :)

I enjoy good conversation, so no worries. I'm not trying to argue either; just explaing my earlier comment(s) and train of thought.
Absolutely Todd! :tucool: This forum really doesn't do well with argumentative types. As you said, and I agree, no worries!

Okay, can we agree that a shortcut is simply taking a shorter way to getting to a given point? My comment about taking ephedrine as a shortcut is meant exactly as that. If one chooses to use it to help shave the ol' love handles, as opposed to changing diet/training regimen, isn't that a shortcut? Do I consider taking creatine and BCAA a shortcut? I do. Are all of these effective methods of reaching a goal? Yes. Are they bad? No, not if used responsibly. If abused, then yes.
"As opposed to" - sure, I see what you mean. As I said I am not a huge ephedra fan, but if someone already has a good diet, training, rest, etc. in place, I think it can help and I don't know if it's a shortcut. Maybe, maybe not. If you think about it though, you could use that argument with any supplement, really. I can gain 10 pounds of muscle in the next few months with nothing but diet and training and rest, but I could also add creatine to my arsenal, lift heavier, overload further, and get those 10 pounds quicker. And if you think about it (now I'm going off topic, slightly), big deal? Who wouldn't want to get there quicker?

(Assuming, again, they're responsible, it's not illegal, etc. etc. etc.)

I guess you covered using the argument with creatine/bcaa already (I'm typing before I read your entire post, sorry, lol). So, I think I understand what you mean now.

I do agree - used responsibly it's no big deal. Abused it's bad. :)

How many times do we see people post these questions here anyway? "I'm looking to get huge, should I take creatine? By the way I just started lifting weights today." :bang:

During this conversation I have been forced to think deeper (and even research further) on the subject. Chris, you make good points, and I agree.

I stand by my comment that some supplements are shortcuts, however as we seem to agree, when used correctly these shortcuts are not necessarily a bad thing. I could see myself using creatine and/or BCAAs at some point, although I do not have plans to do so.

During this conversation I have been forced to think deeper (and even research further) on the subject. Chris, you make good points, and I agree.
As do you Todd.

I stand by my comment that some supplements are shortcuts, however as we seem to agree, when used correctly these shortcuts are not necessarily a bad thing. I could see myself using creatine and/or BCAAs at some point, although I do not have plans to do so.
Creatine and/or BCAAs, yeah. I'm not using creatine now but will no doubt use it again, it has benefits.

You're right, it's not necessarily a bad thing, assuming all other factors are in place and you're not just being lazy.

:tucool:

PS - try a bulk BCAA powder, it's a good addition to your PWO shake. :)

I just dont know how much more .It takes to long to move a pound of weight.I keep falling off my diet .It really getting to me.
This is why I agree with Todd 100%.

Most (not all) people who rely on fat burners I find do so because they don't have the discipline to stick to a healthy diet and regular exercise. They are looking for a shortcut in the sense that they are not willing to put in the true effort where it's necessary and expect some pill to do the work for them... which it won't.

If someone who has already maximized their fitness plan wishes to use a fat burner, then I may not be as against it, but for someone who "keeps falling of the wagon" and expects some stupid pill to do all the work for them, well... you've got to be kidding me.

I'm not big on any supplements in general, I actually don't use anything other than a multi-vitamin, but I do see how several can be useful. Most fat burners I am against due to all the problems people have had with the side effects of them, but to each their own. It just irks me when people use them for the wrong reasons.