I came across this article by John Berardi the other day:

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&category=diet.strategies&conitem=b4db59e36dad6010VgnVCM100000cfe793cd____

I think it's good because it's very clear. I was wondering what people here thought about what he says in it? What about his recommendation of 12 ounces of chocolate milk post-workout? It would be a heck of a lot cheaper (and tastier) than the nasty whey that I down after workouts!

Any thoughts, ideas, opinions on the article would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Try the search feature....this has already been discussed. It's not optimal, but it isn't bad either.

Try the search feature....this has already been discussed. It's not optimal, but it isn't bad either.

Yeah. John doesn't think chocolate milk is optimal either judging by most of his articles and advice. The general contention is that it was dumbed dumb for the average Men's Health reader who wouldn't know what a PWO shake is and wouldn't use one if they learned. John writes articles and sporadically posts at another training forum I frequent. I think I'll ask him it directly. I'm curious what he'd say. Probably what we all surmised.

I read that article a few weeks ago and since I don't use whey, thought I'd read up some on the idea of chocolate milk PWO. Several other sources claimed it to be a great PWO meal, so with all that I decided to start using it. It's only been about 3 weeks, but it's been serving me well.

I don't think it was based on Berardi's chocolate milk suggestion, but Men's Fitness a couple years back also suggested something similar in an article, they said a small chocolate frosty from Wendy's was an optimal PWO choice for it's 5-1 ratios.

i read about it being used in a newspaper article. They were using it for youth athletes.

Fat obviously serves no purpose PWO, but skim chocolate milk seems like a pretty good choice for somebody who wants to combine high and low GI carbs PWO. Also, I've heard that despite it's low GI, lactose produces a relatively large insulin response. Theoretically, this sounds like a good thing during this time slot.

Yeah. John doesn't think chocolate milk is optimal either judging by most of his articles and advice. The general contention is that it was dumbed dumb for the average Men's Health reader who wouldn't know what a PWO shake is and wouldn't use one if they learned. John writes articles and sporadically posts at another training forum I frequent. I think I'll ask him it directly. I'm curious what he'd say. Probably what we all surmised.

Yeah, I would be curious to know what John would say, so if you do ask him and he answers, I'd appreciate it if you could link to it on here.
Thanks.

From JB:


I recommended Surge.

They took it out and replaced it with chocolate milk.

That's what happens in publishing sometimes.

There's nothing you can do.

I guess choc. milk is better than nothing...

(jsbrook wrote:
JB, I saw you recommend chocolate milk PWO in Men's Health. I'm curious about this. Was it just dumbed down for the men's health audience who might not know about more tradiational PWO shakes or utilize them if they did. And/or presented as a non-optimal but solid alternative to regular PWO shakes. )

This annoys me. I can understand them not wanting to support a particular company or use a brand name. (Surge is a biotest supplement). But they should've replaced it with dex and malto in a 2:1 ratio to hydrolyzed whey. That is what Surge is. It's not a big deal, but it's still a material misrepresentation of what Berardi said.

Yeah, I would be curious to know what John would say, so if you do ask him and he answers, I'd appreciate it if you could link to it on here.
Thanks.

From JB:


I recommended Surge.

They took it out and replaced it with chocolate milk.

That's what happens in publishing sometimes.

There's nothing you can do.

I guess choc. milk is better than nothing...

(jsbrook wrote:
JB, I saw you recommend chocolate milk PWO in Men's Health. I'm curious about this. Was it just dumbed down for the men's health audience who might not know about more tradiational PWO shakes or utilize them if they did. And/or presented as a non-optimal but solid alternative to regular PWO shakes. )

This annoys me. I can understand them not wanting to support a particular company or use a brand name. (Surge is a biotest supplement). But they should've replaced it with dex and malto in a 2:1 ratio to hydrolyzed whey. That is what Surge is. It's not a big deal, but it's still a material misrepresentation of what Berardi said.


Thats ludicrous. No wonder we are so ignorant when it comes to nutrition. Hoards of people switch to chocolate milk post work out because some publisher had chocolate milk and fig newtons for lunch and that was the first thing that popped into his head. What an ass.

Thats ludicrous. No wonder we are so ignorant when it comes to nutrition. Hoards of people switch to chocolate milk post work out because some publisher had chocolate milk and fig newtons for lunch and that was the first thing that popped into his head. What an ass.

I do find it surprising that they would print something so different than what he actually said... :confused:

Anyway, after reading his article, I did find several other sources confirming chocolate milk as a good PWO meal. I'm sticking with it. :tu:

I do find it surprising that they would print something so different than what he actually said... :confused:

Anyway, after reading his article, I did find several other sources confirming chocolate milk as a good PWO meal. I'm sticking with it. :tu:

I wonder what else that I have read in magazines had been changed at the whim of a publisher. No knock on you Justin. Your results speak volumes. Having carbs or anything else after working out isnt an absolute necessity anyway. Before I get flamed Im just thinking about bodybuilders way before the supplement companies came on the scene in the twentieth century.

I wonder what else that I have read in magazines had been changed at the whim of a publisher. No knock on you Justin. Your results speak volumes. Having carbs or anything else after working out isnt an absolute necessity anyway. Before I get flamed Im just thinking about bodybuilders way before the supplement companies came on the scene in the twentieth century.

I'm sure lots of published material is twisted. I just would have figured there was some legal stuff to protect the person who the article is speaking for? And I know you weren't knocking me. :nod:

I don't know what percentage of the lifting population actually uses a 2:1 dex/whey shake PWO, but I would venture to guess it's a tiny one.

I know whey/dex works great just by looking at those who use it. However, I also know that there are countless people who lift, never have touched whey or dex and still see awesome results. I think it's way overhyped, but, that is just me. That's not to say I wouldn't use it if I could. It's a great bang for the buck, it's proven successful and it tastes awesome. However, I still strongly feel that as long as you are eating properly throughout the day, get some form of carbs and protein in somewhat soon after your workout and lift intensely, you're going to see good things happen, whey/dex or not.

I do find it surprising that they would print something so different than what he actually said... :confused:

Anyway, after reading his article, I did find several other sources confirming chocolate milk as a good PWO meal. I'm sticking with it. :tu:

I don't think it's so bad. I do agree that hyrdolyzed whey, malto, and dex is better. But the real issue is that they would alter what he said like that, entirely apart from health and fitness. It's very annoying. He didn't seem too upset about it, so it's probably not all that uncommon a publishing practice. I suppose it's covered by editorial discretion. Annoying though.

I know whey/dex works great just by looking at those who use it. However, I also know that there are countless people who lift, never have touched whey or dex and still see awesome results. I think it's way overhyped, but, that is just me. That's not to say I wouldn't use it if I could. It's a great bang for the buck, it's proven successful and it tastes awesome. However, I still strongly feel that as long as you are eating properly throughout the day, get some form of carbs and protein in somewhat soon after your workout and lift intensely, you're going to see good things happen, whey/dex or not.

I definitely agree.

After posting a question about alternatives to whey/dex for a PWO shake http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=21880 I also started using it. Sure, maybe it isn´t the best, but is a lot cheaper here (Viña del Mar, Chile).

I did a search and found the following links supporting this idea:

http://www.idsnews.com/subsite/story.php?id=26682
http://www.acsm-msse.org/pt/re/msse/fulltext.00005768-200405001-00600.htm;jsessionid=DCvMupRvGMI9nyuCQZMXOA3vl2hwP Lewe2HLCVtXO7vS2Mt02j2k!-181702980!-949856144!9001!-1

Anyway, if someone can share another alternative for a PWO shake, it would help a lot!.

maybe the editor thought it was some kind of milk (like nestle quick) :confused:

I don't think it's so bad. I do agree that hyrdolyzed whey, malto, and dex is better. But the real issue is that they would alter what he said like that, entirely apart from health and fitness. It's very annoying. He didn't seem too upset about it, so it's probably not all that uncommon a publishing practice. I suppose it's covered by editorial discretion. Annoying though.

This doesn't surprise me, although I'm surprised that he wasn't upset about it...
Makes you wonder about the things you read...not that I ever took a whole lot of advice from Men's Health.

jza: I hope so, but I doubt it.

I have a Men Health & Fitness book - hardcopy of a book they published, after looking it over the weekend there's many holes in the book and i would give it a 6 out of 10.

No i never put the holes in it myself :lol: