So today I went to GNC to scan over some products in a quest to educate myself more, and I was asking if they had anyother brands of creatine besides the GNC brand, when a guy in there shopping around says, what do you plan on doing with that creatine building muscle mass? I said yes but just researching today. He says to forget the creatine and go with Muscle Milk, which does contain some creatine, He was decent size, but had a pot belly. He said that Muscle Milk was the hottest thing going for assisting in muscle mass. I was just wondering have you guys and or gals heard anything on this Muscle Milk. The lady at the counter agreed with him.
Benefits of using Muscle Milk:


Creatine Production: Patent-pending, medically proven EndoCreatine™ gives you maximum benefits of creatine loading and storage by increasing your body's natural production of creatine.


Efficient Energy Production: Lean Lipids™ are special fats that are easily mobilized for workout energy, enhance your body's fat metabolism and promote protein synthesis, anti-inflammatory effects and mineral retention.


Muscle Growth and Repair: EvoPro™ is a complex ratio of proteins, peptides and amino acids designed to replicate the amazing benefits of mothers milk for rapid tissue growth and repair.



Best ways to use Muscle Milk:

Before: Take at least 30 min or up 2 hours before your work out.


During: Drink together with Cytomax to flood the body with growth nutrients and acid-buffering agents


After: Drink within one-hour after workouts to encourage muscle synthesis during periods normally marked by breakdown


Evening: One serving before bed helps make your sleep time more anabolic

Also look. They recommend taking it 4 times a day and look at the calories. Kinda doesnt seem more than a weight gainer to me, but I would like to here your comments on this. Thanks

It has kinda high fat ratio in it - so I have a hard time fitting more than one into my daily calories - but they are supremely tasty :drool: (the rtd ones anyway) and it makes a decent meal replacement when you dont feel like cooking anything or need something quick on the go.

Its actually pretty cool that we have a supp store not 10 minutes from our gym where we go midday after working out and that guy keeps his cooler stocked with MM RTDs - pop in and put your money down for a quick post workout meal on our way back to work. :eat:

Want to know a useless fact? The president of Cytosport used to work for Champion Nutrition. Champion marketed Muscle Milk (and it's EXACT contents) but sold it to pet stores and vets for large dogs. Basically, it was dog food.

The now president of Cytosport wanted to change the market for Muscle Milk and use it on athletes. The higher ups of Champion found that rather disgusting, as it was dog food (had a picture of the dog on the container and everything). So he left and started his own company, Cytosport, and stole the recipe for Muscle Milk, added just a dash of sugar to make it taste better, and marketed it towards athletes under the name of Muscle Milk. Champion sued Cytosport, but lost due to the fact that the ingredients were margionally different (only by about 150mg of sugar) and it was marketed towards humans, not pets. None the less, Cytosport was in debt for the first 5 years of its existance, but depended soley on the success of Muscle Milk.

Their entire company is founded upon dog food.

(Source: abcbodybuilding.com, i learnt this at the start of the year, and have stayed away from muscle milk since).

It tastes great because it's high in fat and sugar. Not really optimum for a post workout meal, but hey that's just my personal opinion.

The guy at GNC is a fucking idiot. In my opinion, Muscle Milk is one of the best products on the market. Will it replace creatine supplementing? NO!
Secondly...If you buy Muscle Milk from GNC, I believe that you're gonna pay somewhere around $30. I buy 6 containers at once and pay $18.99 each. ($19.99 if you buy less)
Regarding the whole dog supplement deal...I've heard the same story, but to no great detail because I really wasn't interested. Muscle Milk came recommended by a few of the best natural bodybuilders in the game. In spite of the stories about dogs and cats and lions and tigers and bears...oh my. :lol:
OK...this is the last one...Get rid of this fear of fats. Good fats are your friend. The fat content in Muscle Milk isn't going to make you fat...
You can't tell that I really like this stuff, can you? :lol:
Post work out...No
MRP...Yes

I'm a big fan of 'good fats' myself, I stressed the "don't take it post-workout" fact, since muscle milk recommends taking it then, and that's bollocks.

IMO, the best weight-gainers out there are the home-made Oats-Natural PB-Whey combo, which can even be made into bars. Better quality carbs and fats in there.

The guy at GNC is a fucking idiot. In my opinion, Muscle Milk is one of the best products on the market. Will it replace creatine supplementing? NO!
Secondly...If you buy Muscle Milk from GNC, I believe that you're gonna pay somewhere around $30. I buy 6 containers at once and pay $18.99 each. ($19.99 if you buy less)
Regarding the whole dog supplement deal...I've heard the same story, but to no great detail because I really wasn't interested. Muscle Milk came recommended by a few of the best natural bodybuilders in the game. In spite of the stories about dogs and cats and lions and tigers and bears...oh my. :lol:
OK...this is the last one...Get rid of this fear of fats. Good fats are your friend. The fat content in Muscle Milk isn't going to make you fat...
You can't tell that I really like this stuff, can you? :lol:
Post work out...No
MRP...Yes


Hey Kino, have you noticed some good gains with this stuff?
thinking of trying it...

I heard of some WSM athletes who swear by it...

Hey Kino, have you noticed some good gains with this stuff?
thinking of trying it...

I heard of some WSM athletes who swear by it...
Absolutely!...or I wouldn't keep buying it. To be honest, I've never really figured out the optimal way to drink this stuff. They suggest one way, the customer service people suggest another, and there's not enough carbs to qualify it as a decent PWO. (like they suggest) I do one and a half scoops in 10oz of water as my 2nd, 4th, and sometimes 6th meal of the day. The vanilla is incredible.
Here's another way I look at the whole FAT content concern...If I'm using a high quality protein blend (like Nitrean), I always through 2 TBS of heavy cream in with the powder for better protein utilization. (I'm gonna get blasted on this one for sure :lol: ) So what's the fat content of heavy whipping cream? :confused:

All I have to say is that I have used Muscle Milk in the past and have seen good weight gain, but both in fat and muscle. I guess if you took it with the right diet in between it would be ok. It also has polyunsaturated fats (the good fat). So the real question is: does the good outweight the bad? hmmm.. but the chocolate tastes fantastic! I've just started taking ALN Opticen, so it's hard to compare results as of right now.

Some good comments here. So it sounds like it would make a good meal replacement, but not 4 times a day, and I would have to agree not sure for a POW. I dont see how it could replace creatine eaither, but It seems that people who try it. Like it. Thanks for the feedback.

Speaking of Dog Food.

My father in law worked for IAMS when he was alive. He said that before they put on the flavorings, the dog food was just like people food. Basicly its made of the same stuff you put on your dinner table. (I cant remember for the life of me what they use)
He would wait for a tour group to come through and when they got to the part where he was at the time he would grab a handfull and eat it. (this was before they get to the flavoring) He said it tasted just like popcorn.

Believe it or not IAMS holds a VERY high standard for dog and cat food. They only use the best ingredients, and to top it off, their "animal" food is better for a human than what the average human eats on a daily basis.

Take that to the bank of useless knowledge!

SwoleCat told me that Muscle Milk was bad for people trying to lose bodyfat. I had to give my cans away when I started SGX.

George

For cutting, it sounds like its hard to put into a daily meal plan except maybe as the last meal of the day, as a protein fat meal.

I'm going to be buying some when I bulk later on this year, unfortunately it costs loads in the UK.

Creatine Production: Patent-pending, medically proven EndoCreatine™ gives you maximum benefits of creatine loading and storage by increasing your body's natural production of creatine.






I didn't realize the body produced its own creatine. I thought it was obtained through foods.:confused:

I didn't realize the body produced its own creatine. I thought it was obtained through foods.:confused:
Yup...And I only recently read that the reason a number of people are non-responsive to creatiine supplementation, is because their bodies already produce an excess of creatine on its own. :confused:

Speaking of Dog Food.

My father in law worked for IAMS when he was alive. He said that before they put on the flavorings, the dog food was just like people food. Basicly its made of the same stuff you put on your dinner table. (I cant remember for the life of me what they use)
He would wait for a tour group to come through and when they got to the part where he was at the time he would grab a handfull and eat it. (this was before they get to the flavoring) He said it tasted just like popcorn.

Believe it or not IAMS holds a VERY high standard for dog and cat food. They only use the best ingredients, and to top it off, their "animal" food is better for a human than what the average human eats on a daily basis.

Take that to the bank of useless knowledge!

I'll keep that in mind next time I walk past the catfood aisle, but it's not replacing my chicken breasts and eggs.

But if you're an ecto and bulking, then go ahead I guess, each to his own. I still think it's a horrible supplement to those cutting, and for PWO.

I humbly agree with you. Use nitrean or opticen for PWO and use muscle milk as a meal replacement while bulking.

I am guessing that EndoCreatine is a mix of Arginine, Glycine and Methionine, the precursors to creatine. Also, I would think that Lean Lipids™ are MCT oils. I dont know this for certain, but it sounds like that is what they are saying.

I didnt think it sounded good for cutting, but more suitable for bulking. As for the dog food. I watched a show one night on T.V. that was making doggie cookies for pet stores and they came off the same assembly line that went to humans, just put in a diffrent box with more specifics on the ingrediants. They said the government was more strick with animals than it was with humans.

I'd like to see the ingredients of something brought up at least once in a discussion of whether or not one should be ingesting it... what something is made of does count for something. It's not all macros that count.

...I'll shut up.

They said the government was more strick with animals than it was with humans.

Those were the exact words my father in law once spoke as well.
Sad isnt it. To think that our pets (loved that they are) get food that is held to a higher standard. :confused: