Liam19
Tue, March 9th, 2004, 04:53 PM
Okay so it's Tuesday, which is shoulder's and traps day.
Yesterday was cardio and abs. I'm on Schteevie's bulking routine.
This is my second week (it's great, thanks Schtee)
Sunday was Back, biceps and forearms.
But today, my shoulders have been hurting.
I had trouble doing my military presses.
And I had to give up on my lateral dumbell raises.
Why could this happen? It was fine earlier.
Also, barbell shrugs...
They don't seem to be doing much.
I'm really really loading up the barbell, yet I barely feel anything in my traps. Maybe it's my form, I dunno. Advice?
Thanks everyone.
This forum is great ^_^.
psuguy98
Tue, March 9th, 2004, 06:48 PM
sounds like you are overtraining your shoulders and not giving emough rest to them.
I only do 2-3 shoulder exercises per week. I get enough load on them with my chest workout and everything else I do. If you go heavy on chest day as well as back day and then try to slam your shoulders on shoulder day, you will most likely have no strength left, as well as injuries down the road. This is just my own personal opinion. I combine shoulders with chest/tri day and only do 2-3 sets for my shoulders....too many rotator cuff injuries from past experience
SCHTEEVIE
Wed, March 10th, 2004, 01:49 AM
Glad you found my article helpful. :tu:
rule of thumb :
- if the muscle group you are about to work feels sore or weak
- don't force it take an extra day off, or go easy.
you should always start a workout feeling eager and ready
- if your body is saying "naw, I don't feel up to it" - you should listen.
I planned that routine with a day off between back and shoulders because rear delts do have alot of involvment on back day, and front delts get hit to a degree when you do bicep curls...
maybe you need more then one day off between them? you could try moving back day to straight after leg day... assuming you don't do deadlifts on back day that would be fine.
just be sure to keep at least the one day off between chest and shoulders.
you say that you are only two weeks in...?
maybe it is just an issue of getting used to working out, and getting used to the amount of weight you are lifting.
I hope you arent lifting too heavy yet.
make sure and get your target rep range keeping good form.
if you are struggling to get at least six reps in - then it is too heavy. strength gains will come fast as your CNS get's used to training...
Take it slow and ease into everything - don't push too hard too fast - it would suck to get injured off the bat.
within a couple more weeks it will feel like a habbit and you will be used to the regular beating you are putting your body throough. :bb: :db:
as for shrugs - try dumbells if you have acces to heavy enough ones.
I know what you mean though - I also find that it is hard to feel traps getting overworked - and it is really hard to even measure range of motion with shrugs. :confused:
just to to go heavy (but keep good form) and your traps will grow! :flex:
NOTE:
I just had a detailed look at my "initial routine" in the bulking sticky, which I guess is what you are following - knowing what I know now, I would reduce some of that fore arm work on back day - it would make the day shorter and avoid possible overtraining of the forearms... (this doesn't really address your current problem - but it is something to consider)
I am now close to 6 months into my bulking training (i have tweaked the routine every 8 weeks during my "week off" ) and have moved away from alot of the isolation work and into more compound lifts
- for instance, I do "deadlifts" now that I feel i have more experience etc...
anyway - something to consider...
I got great forearm gains the first couple months doing that routine, but over the last few weeks, I have had to back off from fore arm work due to over training symptoms.
Liam19
Wed, March 10th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Ah thanks for the replies.
I think it might have been my barbell curls. My front delts are what hurt. I DID feel really up for it tho. It just sucked when I wasn't really able to do much. I think it was also caused by my eating. I didn't get much food yesterday. My mother decided we should all have chinese food, and I declined. I was left to make stuff a bit late. Think I only ate 3 times.
I think I'll move my shoulders day regardless.
But what about my traps? Why don't they feel like they're getting hit? I can definately feel it in my back after rows and lat pulldons. But nothing with shrugs!
Oh and I just noticed today when I woke up that my forearms are getting defined! Looks great! I'm sooo happy about that :):):)