Since i started bulking, few weeks back, i have been making my Protein/Fat shakes with heavy whipping cream, generally 2 tbsp which is 100 cals.

Now this stuff has 3.5g of sat fat out of 5g fat. And i eat lots of red meat on this bulk, which is 50% sats and 50% poly/mono. So basically i am coming out with more saturated fat than i was when cutting.

However, i know that saturated fat is totally necessary in our diets (1/3) and that Heavy Whipping Cream is supposedly anabolic, sorta fits in the same category in terms of theorized effectiveness as liver tablets.

What I'm getting at is this. Ought I make an effort to incorporate more poly/mono during a bulk, or am i probably OK eating normally (for my bulk) and using whipping cream in the shakes. Thats about it!


Don't really need to go into analyzation of the rest of my diet, its 95% unprocessed foods, the 5% coming from weekly cheat and wheat bread. Already cut from mid 20s BF to around 10% BF


thanks

If you are on a high fat diet, using heavy cream in your shakes, etc., I'd keep my macro ratio closer to 50-20-30. The 20% constituting the carb intake. After 6 weeks, I'd switch over to a higher carb plan, more like 40-50-10.

Keep the fats low if your going with higher carbs. Keep carbs low-moderate if going with higher fats.

From what I gather, saturated is mostly junk fat. When people say you need fat in your diet they're right but generally talking about mono and poly. One is hard pressed to consume only those, and saturated may be of some importance, but getting the majority of your fat from saturated sources is not ideal.

but getting the majority of your fat from saturated sources is not ideal.

It can be, if you use it in short, periodized, functional nutritional cycles.

Don't be scared of saturated fat.

Many people recognize that saturated fats are needed for energy, hormone production, cellular membranes and for organ padding. You may be surprised to learn that certain saturated fatty acids are also needed for important signaling and stabilization processes in the body.

The Importance of Saturated Fats for Biological Functions (http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/import_sat_fat.html)

This article has an explanation of sat. fat's biological functions.

If you are on a high fat diet, using heavy cream in your shakes, etc., I'd keep my macro ratio closer to 50-20-30. The 20% constituting the carb intake. After 6 weeks, I'd switch over to a higher carb plan, more like 40-50-10.

Keep the fats low if your going with higher carbs. Keep carbs low-moderate if going with higher fats.
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OK, ill rock that cycling basically. I am not at all scared of sats, and try to educate people as much as possible. Basically why i commented on needing at least 1/3 of your fats from it

Don't be scared of saturated fat.



The Importance of Saturated Fats for Biological Functions (http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/import_sat_fat.html)

This article has an explanation of sat. fat's biological functions.
wow... the more i research, the more i find out i know absolutely nothing.

wow... the more i research, the more i find out i know absolutely nothing.


Me too!!!!!! :d_eek: At this point i'm so confused I might as well not even TRY to figure this shit out. What really f--ks me up is all this daily cycling of carbs,fats, and proteins. As if this shit wasn't complicated enough. I say to hell with it. I find what breakdown works for what i'm doing at the time and I stick with it. I've adjusted my macros for my bulk about 3 or 4 times already in 5 weeks. I've gone from 33/33/33 to 40/30/30 to my current 40/35/25. This seems to be working.(40/35/25)
If it continues to work for a week or two I won't change it until I begin cutting again.

wow... the more i research, the more i find out i know absolutely nothing.THe more I read the more I'm convinced people incessantly are caught up in the minutiae of diet and working out and not realizing that 90% of it is simply having a "pretty good" diet and a "pretty good" work out routine. I truly believe that the preponderance of bodybuilding mags, message boards, articles from cnn, tv, and scientific studies have convinced many of us that getting fit and looking good with one's shirt off requires scholarly research in a library for weeks on end and meticulous counting and documenting of everything that one does with their body, but lest we forget that bodybuilders from the halcyon years looked better than 99% of us (like all my percentages? :)) and didn't have access to all these 'facts'.

so true... so true... (i think? :confused: )

THe more I read the more I'm convinced people incessantly are caught up in the minutiae of diet and working out and not realizing that 90% of it is simply having a "pretty good" diet and a "pretty good" work out routine. I truly believe that the preponderance of bodybuilding mags, message boards, articles from cnn, tv, and scientific studies have convinced many of us that getting fit and looking good with one's shirt off requires scholarly research in a library for weeks on end and meticulous counting and documenting of everything that one does with their body, but lest we forget that bodybuilders from the halcyon years looked better than 99% of us (like all my percentages? :)) and didn't have access to all these 'facts'.

I agree 100%. Trying to dissect each and every aspect of fitness is a huge waste of time. To the average Joe like myself, (and 99.9% of the people in this forum) this poses more problems than solutions. I can't speak for anyone else but I often find myself overwhelmed with this shit. I say eat clean, keep your calories in check, and find a workout routine that works for YOU.

As with anything, regarding exercise, nutrition, and fitness, one must be willing to change things up from time to time. I have yet to encounter a granite set of guidelines which gives me maximium results. I have often duplicated many, many of the same training, diet, and supplement guidelines which have always brought me into my best condition for a bodybuilding show. Yet prescribing to the exact same protocol which had me in my best condition ever, never seemed to work the second or third time around. Why? We are always changing, whether hormonally, chemically, neurologically. Where no "constant" anything exists. Our bodies are not engineered as stringently as that. To stay a step ahead at all times, we must always be willing to learn, to change, to experiment, to listen, and to be aware. And then come up with another plan of action.

As with anything, regarding exercise, nutrition, and fitness, one must be willing to change things up from time to time. I have yet to encounter a granite set of guidelines which gives me maximium results. I have often duplicated many, many of the same training, diet, and supplement guidelines which have always brought me into my best condition for a bodybuilding show. Yet prescribing to the exact same protocol which had me in my best condition ever, never seemed to work the second or third time around. Why? We are always changing, whether hormonally, chemically, neurologically. Where no "constant" anything exists. Our bodies are not engineered as stringently as that. To stay a step ahead at all times, we must always be willing to learn, to change, to experiment, to listen, and to be aware. And then come up with another plan of action.

Well, as I posted earlier, i've changed my macros 3X in 5 weeks so i'm obviously open to change. However, once I find something that works there's no way in hell i'm gonna change it until I stop seeing results.

These changes you speak of do not happen overnight. I see no reason to change diets on a regular basis. I also see "maximum results" as a grey area. Regardless of what kind of results you get there will ALWAYS be the question: Could I have gotten better"? Whose to say what "maximum" is.

Well, as I posted earlier, i've changed my macros 3X in 5 weeks so i'm obviously open to change. However, once I find something that works there's no way in hell i'm gonna change it until I stop seeing results.

These changes you speak of do not happen overnight. I see no reason to change diets on a regular basis. I also see "maximum results" as a grey area. Regardless of what kind of results you get there will ALWAYS be the question: Could I have gotten better"? Whose to say what "maximum" is.

By maximum I mean, what is relative to the individual, after trying a host of other protocols which did not yield similar favorable results. I.E.: I did not experience "maximium " results with my abdominal development, until I stopped training them COMPLETELY.

By maximum I mean, what is relative to the individual, after trying a host of other protocols which did not yield similar favorable results. I.E.: I did not experience "maximium " results with my abdominal development, until I stopped training them COMPLETELY.

But that doesn't mean you couldn't have achieved better results utilizing a different training regimen. Therefore maximum = unknown.

But that doesn't mean you couldn't have achieved better results utilizing a different training regimen. Therefore maximum = unknown.

Agreed. I think. I believe one of the problems with people's inability to progress on a continuous basis, is having too much of a dogmatic attitude toward certain training and nutritional principles. Without ever having ventured out into territory, which on paper, looks absurd. I am nowhere near the best natural bodybuilder, however I had to go "against the grain" with many sacred bodybuilding ideas, training and dietary "must do's" to eventually break out of my mediocre status, and turn pro. The other aspect to factor in, is time, economy of exercises relative to the free time one has to train, occupational and other outside stresses, all which have an impact on achieving a great physique and supreme health. Another consideration is that the body adapts very quickly to any set protocol. The trainee must learn to recognize when they have become stagnant, then change things up nutritionally and functionally. Do the majority of trainees do this? Just look in your gym, and count all the people you see who always look the same, week after week, month after month, year after year. Vince Gironda said it best. He was once asked "what is the best training routine someone can follow?" His answer? "Whatever is working at the present time." Truly a Vince classic. :tu: