Am I the only one who suspects this stuff is just marketing hype? :confused: I've been using it (ON chocolate) and it is delicious! I am beginning to think it's just cheap processed junk that is probably actually bad for us.

I know the stuff is near and dear to everyone's heart...
I read this...

Article (http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/energybars.html)

:d_frown:

Some companies do package very poor products that's why i really want to get allthewhey because of all the positive feedback i seen on it. A lot of which was unbiased. Atlarge looks good also but its more costly,,maybe there's a reason for that. :confused:

Most protein bars are apparently crap, i just made my own actually tonight :)

Bollocks... I get the results I want with whey. I haven't sprouted an extra arm or turned green... I'm healthier now than I've ever been.

Bollocks... I get the results I want with whey. I haven't sprouted an extra arm or turned green... I'm healthier now than I've ever been.

What the hell is bollocks?

Well its quite simple - you just cant beat real food. I use whey in the morning to get my protein cuz i dont want to eat meat - beans or 5 egg whites. But other then that I try to avoid it...

Of course i am cutting now - so if i were to bulk, eating enough meat ( not to even mention some veggie alternative ) might become quite impossible.

All in all - i dont care what powder it is - real food is the better choice. But today ppl just cant be asked to spend 3 hours a day with what they will eat and prepare it ( I do - but thats me )

/DaK/

Same here i usually use it in the mornings and PW.

I have used 1~3 whey shakes per day for the last 2.5 years. If "whey is hype", my muscles didn't get the memo.

-R

Whey protein is inherently fragile and must be processed at low temperatures or its qualities as a protein are destroyed. That is why casein rather than whey protein is used in animal chow. When cheese, butter and cream were made on the farm, the whey and skim milk were given to the pigs and chickens. But today these products are made in factories far from the farms where they originated, so the industry has a "whey problem," solved by drying the skim milk and whey at high temperatures and putting the powders into energy drinks, body building powders and high-protein bars.
Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig PhD (from the article linked in post #1)

This makes the protein powder thing sound not so good. Does anyone know of a protein processed at low temperatures?

Bollocks... I get the results I want with whey. I haven't sprouted an extra arm or turned green... I'm healthier now than I've ever been.

Hort: Do you attribute this to the protein powder? Or do you think your healtthy state has more to do with lifestyle changes and exercise/weightlifting?

Travis,

You really shouldn't have any angst over this issue. Make the decision for yourself - is whey protein worth the investment? If I were you, I'd never, ever let an article on the Internet make a decision for me. If you don't believe whey protein to be effective, utilize high-protein whole foods. Lean meats, most notably. Chicken. Lean beef. Even pork can be utilized as long as it's leaner cuts.

This is not brain surgery. Either you think it's a worthwhile investment or you don't. Since 95% of this forum has used whey protein in some form or fashion, and many people here have stellar results including it in their diets, I'd say that article might help you decide which brand to buy... but if it steers you away from whey protein altogether, I think you're making a mistake and placing far too much stock in a nameless, faceless article simply placed out there in cyberspace. Considering the source of the article, I call shenanigans.

As usual, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

-R

What the hell is bollocks?

it means bullshit they say it in england

No one said your diet has to include whey....eat eggs, chicken, tuna, salmon, turkey, red meats. Your choice. Theres little argument that you couldn't get it done with real food. Do your reading, make up your own mind on this I think.

Devise a plan and stick with it for several weeks to see if it's working for you. Based on your previous posts....you're an organic, whole food kind of person....just work with that.

Travis,

You really shouldn't have any angst over this issue. Make the decision for yourself - is whey protein worth the investment? If I were you, I'd never, ever let an article on the Internet make a decision for me. If you don't believe whey protein to be effective, utilize high-protein whole foods. Lean meats, most notably. Chicken. Lean beef. Even pork can be utilized as long as it's leaner cuts.

This is not brain surgery. Either you think it's a worthwhile investment or you don't. Since 95% of this forum has used whey protein in some form or fashion, and many people here have stellar results including it in their diets, I'd say that article might help you decide which brand to buy... but if it steers you away from whey protein altogether, I think you're making a mistake and placing far too much stock in a nameless, faceless article simply placed out there in cyberspace. Considering the source of the article, I call shenanigans.

As usual, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

-R

I believe you should look further into the source of the article.

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

The Weston A. Price Foundation provides some of the most unbiased, truthful, and though provoking information regarding nutrition I've ever come across. It is certainly not a nameless faceless article simply placed out there in cyberspace. The source is highly respected and this information has context with all the other research she has contributed. This stuff can change your life. Give it a chance before you dismiss it so quickly. :nod:

If you want to know the truth about nutrition read:

Nourishing Traditions (http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/SallyFallon/)

"I have to recommend . . . Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon. The first chapter of her book is so right on target that I feel a little guilty for taking her ideas."
Robert C. Atkins, MD.

Ouch!

Wow Canada, I've not seen that quote. Good one. He was right though. :D

I believe you should look further into the source of the article.

I don't give a shit if Mother Theresa came back from the dead and penned the article herself. I still disagree with it.

The Foundation is dedicated to restoring nutrient-dense foods to the human diet through education, research and activism. It supports a number of movements that contribute to this objective including accurate nutrition instruction, organic and biodynamic farming, pasture-feeding of livestock, community-supported farms, honest and informative labeling, prepared parenting and nurturing therapies.

I did consider who provided the information. The above passage comes from the link you just posted. That passage tells me they have a bias against anything processed - whey protein is a processed, non-organic food. As such, it goes against the grain of what the organization believes. You obviously prefer whole-food nutrtion. I've considered what you posted and find it to be untrue. What part of that is difficult to understand?

As I said, and will repeat yet again so it sinks through the layers... this is not a major decision. Either use whey - or don't. Period. I use it, I have a great physique and I largely attribute my physique development to the inclusion of whey protein in my diet. As such, I have good reason to distrust the information they provide since it goes against the grain of what *I* believe.

Besides that... many professionals in our midst use it themselves. Care to tell someone like Swolecat he may be cheating himself by using whey protein in his diet? :lol:

We'll agree to disagree. You can produce results just as good as I have, if not better, utilizing whole foods. Jumping Jesus on a rusty pogo stick... stop analyzing this silly issue, get your nutrition in order using sources you consider to be viable, and go get yourself some results. Show me it can be done with 100% whole foods. Or... sit here and overanalyze whey protein. Up to you. I'm done with this. :rolleyes:

-R

Roger, you want an asprin or something? ;)

Most of us know damn well that whey protein not only works, it works very, very well - and we've got the collective results to back it up. It's a no-brainer. With that in mind, who gives a flying crap what this article says? :lol:

Roger, you want an asprin or something? ;)

Do I get carried away? I must. I get a little excited trying to make my points. Sometimes... it's like... Hello? McFly?

http://i.xanga.com/udontwannaknow/t/mcfly.jpg

Certain responses make me wonder if I'm typing in Swahili. Must be my allergies... I'm cranky again today!

-R

Just "whey" up the pro's and cons and decide for yourself.

Just "whey" up the pro's and cons and decide for yourself.
Yeah, you just knew that was coming.

My $0.02: Cells are open after lifting, and most receptive to rebuilding at that time. You can't build something out of nothing. As such, you need to get something there - and quickly enough to take advantage of the openness.

For my money (and I pay for it), whey works. Even the less expensive stuff.

All I'm saying is, the whey protein phenomenon *may* be overhyped. Your great results probably come from good old fashioned hard work and dedication. Not the whey.

Shoot, I'm taking it myself and just ordered another jug! I'm not saying its the devil, just that we should take a look... After this is gone I'll go off the stuff and let you know what happens.

I did consider who provided the information.
Bluestreak: I don't consider a 5 minute once over truly giving the ideas a chance. But suit yourself.

Jumping Jesus on a rusty pogo stick... stop analyzing this silly issue,

Honestly, I don't see how analyzing something that makes up a very large portion of all our diets can possibly be silly. Especially given how we all can agree that diet is extremely important to the process of building your body and health.

Most of us know damn well that whey protein not only works, it works very, very well - and we've got the collective results to back it up. It's a no-brainer. With that in mind, who gives a flying crap what this article says? :lol:
You may not, but I think that this article was geared more towards someone that isn't as in tune with their nutrition as you are. This article is for the person who thinks that they're eating a really nutritious meal when they pick one of those bars up.

We believe that what we put into our bodies matters; food feeds our souls, lifts our spirits, nourishes and sustains us. That's why we created LUNA, the blissfully good, whole nutrition bar for women. In just 180 calories, LUNA meets many of the specific nutritional requirements women need everyday to maintain active life-styles. Join us in healthy, joyous living!That's completely decieving. This article has a lot of merit, we're just not the right target audience.

I'd love for that Super Size Me! guy to do a follow up film where he eats nothing but health bars for 30 days. The health bar companies would freak out. Now THAT would be a good documentary.

Honestly, I don't see how analyzing something that makes up a very large portion of all our diets can possibly be silly. Especially given how we all can agree that diet is extremely important to the process of building your body and health.

Problem #1....don't use Whey as a meal....you should supplement(maybe Pre and then) Post Work Out and then rely on whole food for the rest of the day....ideally. In fact whey should make up a really tiny percentage of your "diet".

IMO. It's called a supplement for a reason. So with that in mind...it's just no different than a multivitamin....don't give it too much thought.

This article is for the person who thinks that they're eating a really nutritious meal when they pick one of those bars up.I was speaking specifically about whey protein powder, not bars. Sorry for any confusion.

Most of us "in the know" would agree that most protein bars are pure crap.

All I'm saying is, the whey protein phenomenon *may* be overhyped. Your great results probably come from good old fashioned hard work and dedication. Not the whey.

I think you actually hit the nail on the head. Whey may help, it may not. I think the largest contributor to everyone's success is hard work, clean eating and dedication. I've been on and off whey for months at a time over the past couple years and now am permanently off it at my nephrologist's (kidney doctor) request. I have never noticed much, if any difference when I use whey and when I don't. The only time I notice a difference is when I am eating well or eating like shit and when I am lifting consistently or missing a lot of workouts.

That said, I wouldn't rule it out if I could use it. If I didn't have two freak kidney incidents last year, I'd most likely still be using the stuff too for its convenience. However, I'm not using whey, may never again and I don't miss the stuff (except the taste).

And before anyone jumps on me, please know this is not an anti-whey post or anything of the sort. Simply one person's experiences and opinions of the necessity (or lack thereof) of whey protein in one's diet.

Problem #1....don't use Whey as a meal....you should supplement(maybe Pre and then) Post Work Out and then rely on whole food for the rest of the day....ideally. In fact whey should make up a really tiny percentage of your "diet".

IMO. It's called a supplement for a reason. So with that in mind...it's just no different than a multivitamin....don't give it too much thought.

I don't use it as a meal replacement either and I don't know of anyone who does. We're still looking at 30-150 grams of protein per day depending on the product/regimen. That is a large percentage of the diet...

I was speaking specifically about whey protein powder, not bars. Sorry for any confusion.
I understand that, but the article was just about health bars, not really about whey protein. It mentions whey protein in the context of it being included in health bars. I'd guess that health bar manufacturers are not very interested in including quality whey in their product, and I think the article may have been trying to go after that. I'm sure that companies like All The Whey and At Large who cater to bodybuilding customers put A LOT more care into the quality of their product, so the whey referenced in the article and the whey we purchase are probably very different.

[QUOTE=John Stone]Roger, you want an asprin or something? ;)


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John, you made a joke!!!!!! That's funny!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :tucool: :claplow:

John, you made a joke!!!!!! That's funny!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :tucool: :claplow:You might be surprised to learn that I'm actually a pretty laid-back guy when I'm not policing you knuckleheads. ;)

I understand that, but the article was just about health bars, not really about whey protein. It mentions whey protein in the context of it being included in health bars. I'd guess that health bar manufacturers are not very interested in including quality whey in their product, and I think the article may have been trying to go after that. I'm sure that companies like All The Whey and At Large who cater to bodybuilding customers put A LOT more care into the quality of their product, so the whey referenced in the article and the whey we purchase are probably very different.

That's what I want to know. Who has quality stuff that has been processed in a way that captures the goodness of whey? Whey is very good stuff- when it is fresh from some natural milk from a healthy cow. I don't think most companies use healthy cows in the first place, then what happens after they collect whey? Do they treat it gently and preserve its intrinsic qualities, or do they cheaply process it and wholesale it out to all these supplement companies to flavorize and market? :confused:

You might be surprised to learn that I'm actually a pretty laid-back guy when I'm not policing you knuckleheads. ;)

Yeah, we keep you busy huh? :D :tu:

With the exception of the fats, most of the ingredients used in energy bars are waste products—soy protein isolate and whey protein are the waste products of the soy oil and cheese industries respectively. Apple and lemon fiber, used to create a crunchy effect, are also waste products, made from the pulp left over from squeezing the fruits for their juice. Soy lecithin, another common ingredient, is also a waste product of the soy oil industry. I like how she calls them "waste products" as if we're just one step away from eating animal feces. They may be a waste product for one sourse but that's like calling used mcdonalds oil a waste product--yeah it is to mcdonalds, but not to the dude who's running it in his converted veggie-oil car :)

In any case, nobody ever asserted (or should have) that whey was a super-duper necessary thing for growth. My best games were as a kid when I could afford nothing but skim milk and tuna (because my mother would buy them and nothing resembling a supplement). I take a couple of scoops of whey a day as convenience. It may be crap, I dunno :)Pemmican, used by native Americans, was the perfect energy bar. Made from dried lean meat and rendered fat packed into rawhide bags, it was highly concentrated and kept for years. One and one-half pounds could sustain a grown man doing heavy work all day. This was no 40-30-30 bar—eighty percent of calories in pemmican comes from fat and almost none from carbohydrates, except on the occasion when dried berries were added. Uh, thanks but no thanks.

I think bars are great as long as you realize what you're getting. They are very convenient, healthier than most food, and taste good. They are not a magic bullet but they're useful.

[QUOTE=karatetricker]
I've been on and off whey for months at a time over the past couple years and now am permanently off it at my nephrologist's (kidney doctor) request.
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Just for the record, whey is no tougher on the kidneys than any other form of protein. ANY and ALL protein in excess taxes the kidneys. (or so i'm told)

I don't use it as a meal replacement either and I don't know of anyone who does. We're still looking at 30-150 grams of protein per day depending on the product/regimen. That is a large percentage of the diet...
I'd like to introduce you to me, and I use it as a meal replacement all the time. A Post-Workout meal replacement (with added dextrose and maltodextrin, that is).

Now you know someone who uses whey as a meal replacement. :D

Now you know someone who uses whey as a meal replacement. :D

*raises hand*

I do too, all the time. Up to twice a day.

-R

I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore... but I missed that comment.

Just for the record, whey is no tougher on the kidneys than any other form of protein. ANY and ALL protein in excess taxes the kidneys. (or so i'm told)

You are told correct. Excess protein from any source does tax the kidneys. However, I wasn't taking in excessive amounts of protein in the first place. Whether or not it is the whey to blame, who knows, probably not. Regardless, it hasn't happened since I stopped using it and like I said, its effect on my results has been negligible, so why risk it?

I've been on and off whey for months at a time over the past couple years and now am permanently off it at my nephrologist's (kidney doctor) request.


Just for the record, whey is no tougher on the kidneys than any other form of protein. ANY and ALL protein in excess taxes the kidneys. (or so i'm told)

But it's easier to overdo whey if you're not careful. But still a good point to note. And another reason why it's important to remain properly hydrated. Lots' of fluid, from the time you wake up till the time you go to bed. :)

You are told correct. Excess protein from any source does tax the kidneys. However, I wasn't taking in excessive amounts of protein in the first place. Whether or not it is the whey to blame, who knows, probably not. Regardless, it hasn't happened since I stopped using it and like I said, its effect on my results has been negligible, so why risk it?

Someone at another site used the prison analogy. Those guys are big dudes and they don't exactly get 1g/lb BW of protein in the joint. So on that crappy starchy nutrition and all the training they do....how do they make gains? Something to think about.

I guess roids finds its way in, but I doubt there's an abundance of it. 'Course I don't personally know, nor do I ever want to find out.

But it's easier to overdo whey if you're not careful. But still a good point to note. And another reason why it's important to remain properly hydrated. Lots' of fluid, from the time you wake up till the time you go to bed. :)

And..........On that note. I took Jr. (actually my X took him) to the Docs yesterday for a routine exam. Apparently the doc asked him what kind of supplements he was taking. Nico replied "whey and a multi". The doctor told him the same exact thing. Just don't over do it and drink plenty of water. So, apparently Gordo, that's good advise!!! :tu:

I'd like to introduce you to me, and I use it as a meal replacement all the time. A Post-Workout meal replacement (with added dextrose and maltodextrin, that is).

Now you know someone who uses whey as a meal replacement. :D


That's true on the 6 meal regimen! I guess I do too. I was more meaning using whey powder instead of real food, not in addition to real food. Like if someone were to not have any real food at all for meals 4,5,and 6. That would be like a meal replacement for dinner on a traditional 3 meal diet.

You'd have to admit it would be bad to do that!

Someone at another site used the prison analogy. Those guys are big dudes and they don't exactly get 1g/lb BW of protein in the joint. So on that crappy starchy nutrition and all the training they do....how do they make gains? Something to think about.

I guess roids finds its way in, but I doubt there's an abundance of it. 'Course I don't personally know, nor do I ever want to find out.I hear about these people at prison but the only time I've seen somebody I know who went to prison was on tv. Where are all these prison-monsters who bulk up and get ripped on three crappy meals/day?

In any case, one thing going for them is a hell of a lot of sleep.

I hear about these people at prison but the only time I've seen somebody I know who went to prison was on tv. Where are all these prison-monsters who bulk up and get ripped on three crappy meals/day?

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Trust me, they're out there. I can't tell you how many times (as a cop)
I was able to tell when someone JUST got out of prison. You've gotta realize these guys normally (on the outside) eat 1 meal every 2 days.
They're too busy getting high. Give them 3 meals a day and access to some weight and watch them grow. They've got nothing better to do.
Of course some of these guys who get huge are genetically gifted. What a waste.

I'd like to introduce you to me, and I use it as a meal replacement all the time. A Post-Workout meal replacement (with added dextrose and maltodextrin, that is).

Now you know someone who uses whey as a meal replacement. :D

I guess in essence I do to, it goes against my totals. I take it in my shake with oats, milk (or water), and fruit.

It's just that some crazies live off Whey in a lot of shakes....every day. In that case some whole food would be a better thing. Whey is a cheap protein source though.

Heck whey is part of my Preworkout bar (oats, whey, skim milk).

Heck whey is part of my Preworkout bar (oats, whey, skim milk).

That's my post PWO shake meal. (thanks to you buddy ;) )

Yeah that's good anytime idn' it :tu:

That's true on the 6 meal regimen! I guess I do too. I was more meaning using whey powder instead of real food, not in addition to real food. Like if someone were to not have any real food at all for meals 4,5,and 6. That would be like a meal replacement for dinner on a traditional 3 meal diet.

You'd have to admit it would be bad to do that!
No, I don't think that is necessarily bad. You left out other information though. 3 "squares" a day plus 3 shakes a day isn't necessarily bad. 6 shakes a day would not be something I'd like to do though.

I've seen guys doing all liquid diets before. The very well-built guy who At-Large sponsors comes to mind (he did it during contest prep). I wouldn't attempt this personally though. It sure would make life easier, but I'd probably go crazy.

I wouldn't attempt this personally though. It sure would make life easier, but I'd probably go crazy.

Yeah big fella, it looks like you love your beef!!!! :D :tucool:

I am beginning to think it's just cheap processed junk that is probably actually bad for us.

I know the stuff is near and dear to everyone's heart...
I read this...

Article (http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/energybars.html)

:d_frown:

LOL. Mary is a well known spokesperson for the beef industry. It's like the sugar industry attacking splenda.

In any case, Whey is relatively cheap, and using it as the primary protein source is probably not optimal for muscle gains. But it is certainly not bad for you (is milk?), and very useful PWO. And it is processed, which is why it is so useful - fast digesting, almost like just taking aminos, but much cheaper.

And beef is probably under-rated for BBing!

Still Mary can go OTT sometimes, you have to pick out the exagerations in the stuff she writes. She has some good articles on fats - obviously is anti vegetable oils and pro saturated fat.

...They may be a waste product for one sourse but that's like calling used mcdonalds oil a waste product--yeah it is to mcdonalds, but not to the dude who's running it in his converted veggie-oil car :)



You're mocking me aren't you.... :lol:

One of the "upsides" of whey is that, as I understand, it is a fast uptake protein which you need post-workout. It is also a complete protein. Whey also has immune system boosting properties, which is good after a workout when your imm. system is temporarily lowered. I think that WHEN you take it is equally important as "how much". I also think that it is a better choice than eggwhites en masse in the a.m. although I have to admit I have 2 whole eggs with a whey shake first thing. All in all I'm convinced it works. How much you need to make it work is another story again. But lets face it , the amino acid profile of whey is just what you need for muscle tissue repair. I've used the protein bars (30 grams in one bar etc.). I think they help in a pinch as do the protein shakes you can get in the pop cooler in your 7-11 etc. Some of the bars taste like flavored wall-paper paste and others aren't so bad. But I'd stick with a true whey shake or smoothie where I could.

Whey protein is inherently fragile and must be processed at low temperatures or its qualities as a protein are destroyed.
From Sally Fallon's article

This is the one thing I worry about. It just makes sense and I believe Sally on this. But I just can't help but think the whey protein I'm taking is doing something. I am mixing it with whole milk so I know that has good fat and protein. I think the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Say an amount whey has 50 grams of protein before processing into powder, then it could maybe end up with 20 grams of useful protein after processing (as opposed to 0 as insinuated in the quote.) Then the protein powder is marketed as containing the original 50 grams of protein- which it actually did at one point. This is pure conjecture and speculation on my part by the way so don't rip me apart for this- it's just what I'm thinking right now. I'd even be willing to bet most whey protein companies just buy the whey powder and take the word of the dairy processing plant as to the contents (protein-wise) then set about with fortifing the plain whey powder with their well intentioned additives flavorings etc. I'm just thinking whey powder has much less usable protein than advertised.

Now that being said I would LOVE to find a whey protein that has been processed at low temperatures and try that one!

I highly doubt that 30 grams of useful protein are removed in the processing. Highly. And if that is the case, the serving is also less than half the calories indicated on the label. So I should be able to eat tons of whey and consume a lot less calories than indicated. I really have no idea what your basing your conjecture or speculation on either. Where could those numbers have come from?

I highly doubt that 30 grams of useful protein are removed in the processing. Highly. And if that is the case, the serving is also less than half the calories indicated on the label. So I should be able to eat tons of whey and consume a lot less calories than indicated. I really have no idea what your basing your conjecture or speculation on either. Where could those numbers have come from?

I just said it was pure conjecture and speculation. I know I'm way out there on this one... :p

But, yes that's basically what I was saying. Let's just forget I posted that one... Maybe all the whey powder I've had today is affecting my neural synapses. :drool: :spaz: :p :D :d_eek: :d_eek:

I really don't get what the issue is here. The article has nothing to do with whey protein as a general statement. The article talks about the lack of nutritional value of a variety of protein bars. That's it.

That's like saying "I saw an article that says that most sub-compact cars are made like crap, therefore automobiles are obviously an inferior form of transportation."

IMHO, dots are being connected here that shouldn't.

Another thing I dislike about the article is that it keeps referring to whey as a "waste product." It's a by-product. It's something that is produced indirectly in the process of producing something else. That doesn't mean it's completely devoid of nutrition or use.

Hell, plants expel oxygen as a waste product. Do we thumb our noses at that?

Whey is not an overly processed source of protein. Some people may use manufacturing or processing methods that result in an inferior product. That can apply to ANYTHING, though. Whey has been around pretty much as long as cheese-making has, and that's a pretty damn long time. It's not some new flavor-of-the-month pseudo-diet or something.

And personally, I don't think that the fact that Dr. Atkins endorsed one of the authors of the article is something to brag about. The man is the nutritional equivalent of Ron Popeil. He took a recurring diet fad that crops up every few decades and simply gave it better marketing. Yay.

Whey isn't new. It is something that has become a standard amongst the bodybuilding community because IT WORKS, not because of hype. Serious bodybuilders care only about results. They'd walk around with pink ribbons in their hair if they saw evidence that it would help them bulk. There's plenty of info available all over the net from sources other than manufacturers of whey products that will attest to its nutritional quality.

I don't want to sound antagonistic, but you seem like you're looking for something to debunk. I don't know if you just want to disprove an element of nutrition that you yourself are simply skeptical of, or if perhaps you just have an arbitrary emotional attachment to that particular source of nutritional information (and it sure sounds like you're a big cheerleader for them).

Ok, I'm done. I'll stop ranting. I have a giant pile of whey being delivered tomorrow and I'm incredibly excited, what with the hype and all.

I really don't get what the issue is here. The article has nothing to do with whey protein as a general statement. The article talks about the lack of nutritional value of a variety of protein bars. That's it.

That's like saying "I saw an article that says that most sub-compact cars are made like crap, therefore automobiles are obviously an inferior form of transportation."

IMHO, dots are being connected here that shouldn't.

Another thing I dislike about the article is that it keeps referring to whey as a "waste product." It's a by-product. It's something that is produced indirectly in the process of producing something else. That doesn't mean it's completely devoid of nutrition or use.

Hell, plants expel oxygen as a waste product. Do we thumb our noses at that?

Whey is not an overly processed source of protein. Some people may use manufacturing or processing methods that result in an inferior product. That can apply to ANYTHING, though. Whey has been around pretty much as long as cheese-making has, and that's a pretty damn long time. It's not some new flavor-of-the-month pseudo-diet or something.

And personally, I don't think that the fact that Dr. Atkins endorsed one of the authors of the article is something to brag about. The man is the nutritional equivalent of Ron Popeil. He took a recurring diet fad that crops up every few decades and simply gave it better marketing. Yay.

Whey isn't new. It is something that has become a standard amongst the bodybuilding community because IT WORKS, not because of hype. Serious bodybuilders care only about results. They'd walk around with pink ribbons in their hair if they saw evidence that it would help them bulk. There's plenty of info available all over the net from sources other than manufacturers of whey products that will attest to its nutritional quality.

I don't want to sound antagonistic, but you seem like you're looking for something to debunk. I don't know if you just want to disprove an element of nutrition that you yourself are simply skeptical of, or if perhaps you just have an arbitrary emotional attachment to that particular source of nutritional information (and it sure sounds like you're a big cheerleader for them).

Ok, I'm done. I'll stop ranting. I have a giant pile of whey being delivered tomorrow and I'm incredibly excited, what with the hype and all.


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Very good post Glaive. It's all a moot point anyhow. It's best to try to get most protein from whole foods and perhaps to supplement with a good blend with casein if necessary. If whey is used predominately or solely PWO, there's absolutely nothing to be concerned about.

I use it all the time.. but as a meal supplement in addition to real food... it's hard to get in 200g of protein when a meal or two is a salad so I use the whey to kick it up to around 40-50g per meal.. I don't think it wouldwork well for a meal in it's self , I'd be hungry 30 min later :) and would have 2-2.5 hours to think about food :(

Quote taken from ALL THEY WHEY's website:

The manufacturing process employs a low temperature, and an ultra and micro filtration processing system to remove the naturally occurring non-protein ingredients in the fluid whey such as sugars, fat and minerals. This increases the concentration and purity of the protein in the dried product which is called Whey Protein Concentrate or Whey Protein Isolate.

Low temperature processing of whey right under your nose. You wanted it, you got it.

Look beyond the horizon my friend. :nod:

You're spending "whey" to much time on this issue.

Quote taken from ALL THEY WHEY's website:



Low temperature processing of whey right under your nose. You wanted it, you got it.

Look beyond the horizon my friend. :nod:

You're spending "whey" to much time on this issue.

SWEET baby, that's my brand! Low temp, those guys must know what they're doing! Thanks for finding that for me. I knew someone would find it. :claphigh: