Just how bad is it eating peanuts if you are trying to lose fat? I know they contain a lot of protein, but also a lot of fat. Should I completely avoid them? or can I have a small amount everyday?

They are a good source of fat, as it is a healthy fat. Your body needs saturated fat even if you are trying to lose it. Read the stickies in this section and in the beginners section.

Hemang.

Almonds are even better. Just watch the portion size. It's usually one ounce per serving. Thats a small handful (about 22 almonds) so no half a jar in one sitting allowed.

Almonds are better, but I prefer peanuts. I often have a serving of peanuts in the afternoon. They're just fine - be sure to portion it out and you're gold.

-R

I normally don't eat peanuts however I do have at least 3 servings of natty (6 tblsp) daily. I also use almond butter once daily. :drool:Would that be considered excess?

For me, I put nuts and seeds (in general) in my fat totals rather than protein (the added protein is just a bonus..

I need to look into almonds but i've recently been a big peanut whore. I buy the bulk containers at walmart and 1/3 cup is 300 calories. I monitor calorie intake (which is essential when eating peanuts as it's easy to suck down 1000+ calories without even realizing it) but they are cheap and reasonably filling and pretty healthy.

i've often heard bodybuilders say "keep nuts/peanutbutter to 1 serving per day while cutting".
i dont know if that means anything, but it's something to note.

i've often heard bodybuilders say "keep nuts/peanutbutter to 1 serving per day while cutting".
i dont know if that means anything, but it's something to note.


I can understand that but i'm bulking using a 40/30/30 split at 3100 cal.
I was trying 33/33/33 but it didn't feel right. I'm wondering if 30%F is too much. Please feel free to chime in here on this.

I can understand that but i'm bulking using a 40/30/30 split at 3100 cal.
I was trying 33/33/33 but it didn't feel right. I'm wondering if 30%F is too much. Please feel free to chime in here on this.
(Sorry if this is offtopic for the peanuts thread)

If ur fat is 33%, then ur taking in 1023 cal of fat per day, which is about 114g a day.
From what i've read, fats are only nessessary while bulking for hormone production and the protein sparing effect.
About .3g-.4g per pound of bodyweight fats are about all you need while bulking.
No more than this is nessessary.

I don't know how much you weigh, but if .3-.4g per pound is less than 114g for you - then i'd up the protein and carb percentages in your case.
Ok, i know how much you weigh now - about 160?
so .4 times 160 = 64g, which is HALF the fat you're taking in now.

so if you dropped the fat down to 64grams, you now have to add 450calories of protein and carbs.
(which is aprox upping both by 56g per day.)


Please keep in mind, all this is from what i've read, and not based on real life experience.
Here's an overly scientific article explaining optimal food intake for testosterone
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/incledon/diet02.htm

[QUOTE=wh0areume](Sorry if this is offtopic for the peanuts thread)

If ur fat is 33%, then ur taking in 1023 cal of fat per day, which is about 114g a day.
From what i've read, fats are only nessessary while bulking for hormone production and the protein sparing effect.
About .3g-.4g per pound of bodyweight fats are about all you need while bulking.
No more than this is nessessary.

I don't know how much you weigh, but if .3-.4g per pound is less than 114g for you - then i'd up the protein and carb percentages in your case.
Ok, i know how much you weigh now - about 160?
so .4 times 160 = 64g, which is HALF the fat you're taking in now.

so if you dropped the fat down to 64grams, you now have to add 450calories of protein and carbs.
(which is aprox upping both by 56g per day.)


Please keep in mind, all this is from what i've read, and not based on real life experience.
Here's an overly scientific article explaining optimal food intake for testosterone
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/incledon/diet02.htm[/QUOTE


The actual breakdown is:
Protein - 306g / 1224 cal
Carbs - 238g / 952 cal
Fat - 104g / 936 cal

Total - 3112 cal. Close enough to 40/30/30 for me. Keep in mind this is an experiment. Something I believe everyone should do.

High protein and fat works well on a cut but your fat (even though it's good fats) "seems" high but you won't know until several weeks on this diet how it's working for you.

Your protein seems kind of excessive too but I guess it depends on how you feel your body does processing carbs. I know many keep relatively the same totals of fat and protein for bulks and cuts and vary carbs but that's only one way to do it.

You did mention that you felt that you were gaining fat at a pretty good pace so you either want to up your cardio or re-evaluate the diet. Probably start with an adjustment in fats. Your fats aren't super high but a little high. Might want to back 20g off the total and put the rest into carbs because you have more than enough protein in your diet.

High protein and fat works well on a cut but your fat (even though it's good fats) "seems" high but you won't know until several weeks on this diet how it's working for you.

Your protein seems kind of excessive too but I guess it depends on how you feel your body does processing carbs. I know many keep relatively the same totals of fat and protein for bulks and cuts and vary carbs but that's only one way to do it.

You did mention that you felt that you were gaining fat at a pretty good pace so you either want to up your cardio or re-evaluate the diet. Probably start with an adjustment in fats. Your fats aren't super high but a little high. Might want to back 20g off the total and put the rest into carbs because you have more than enough protein in your diet.

Gordo, who are you directing this to? You've gotta highlight the previous quote. :tu:

Gordo, who are you directing this to? You've gotta highlight the previous quote. :tu:
i think he was referring to u, cuz your macro amounts were the only ones given in the thread.
i could be wrong, though.

i think he was referring to u, cuz your macro amounts were the only ones given in the thread.
i could be wrong, though.

I think you're right but I don't recall saying I was putting on "FAT" too fast. I've gained 10 lbs. in close to 5 weeks. Sounds about right to me.
Admittedly I have gotten smoother but that's to be expected. Correct me if i'm mistaken here.

The actual breakdown is:
Protein - 306g / 1224 cal
Carbs - 238g / 952 cal
Fat - 104g / 936 cal

Total - 3112 cal. Close enough to 40/30/30 for me. Keep in mind this is an experiment. Something I believe everyone should do.[/QUOTE]

I'm responding to my own post.

Jeremy Likeness, if you're reading this i'd love to get your take on my current macro breakdown.

here is my honest actual suggestion.
add 100g carbs per day, drop your fat intake by 44g a day.

Basides keeping hormone production normal, all the extra fat calories are pointless while bulking.

Again, what works? What's best?

The best bulk I ever went on was with a 50/35/15 ratio (50% protein, 35% fat, and 15% carbohydrates). I was consuming flaxseed or olive oil with three meals and then had three shakes with peanut butter or heavy whipping cream in them. Fat was through the roof, carbs were moderate, protein was high (I was consuming 3600 - 4200 calories per day). I got big and muscular with minimal fat.

Too much fat?

I dunno. I've never had a problem with fat. I just don't see any reasonable arguments against it, including saturated fat. There was a long era where people mistakenly grouped all fats together. Now, they are getting better and recognizing that certain fats are good, but I still believe they're doing it wrong. Instead of saying "fat versus no fat" now we're saying "saturated fats versus everything else." But even saturated fats come in different flavors, and I believe we always get stuck on macronutrients, calories, grams of sugar, etc when we should simply focus on whole foods.

Fact is, I have a hard time believing that grazing on raw nuts or nut butters is a problem, even if you have a bit.

Here's the rub ... I've heard of a lot of people with nut addictions and nut butter addictions. I.e. they start eating peanut butter and can't stop, etc.

9 times out of 10, these people are eating roasted/salted nuts and processed nut butters.

I have in my years of coaching only come across one person who has a problem with overeating raw/natural nuts, i.e. raw unsalted almonds or raw natural almond butter (as opposed to most almond and peanut butters that are made from the roasted versions).

That's just an example. I think the focus shouldn't be x amount from fat, but rather ... if I am getting fat, what are the sources?

Even heavy whipping cream is just skim from the top of what comes out of a cow. (In today's age, it's a different story - like the people who buy 2% milk don't realize almost all milk as all of the fat skimmed out, and then it's added back in later in the game. Heavy whipping cream comes from the excess that's not added back to the skim milks).

Jeremy
here is my honest actual suggestion.
add 100g carbs per day, drop your fat intake by 44g a day.

Basides keeping hormone production normal, all the extra fat calories are pointless while bulking.

Again, what works? What's best?

The best bulk I ever went on was with a 50/35/15 ratio (50% protein, 35% fat, and 15% carbohydrates). I was consuming flaxseed or olive oil with three meals and then had three shakes with peanut butter or heavy whipping cream in them. Fat was through the roof, carbs were moderate, protein was high (I was consuming 3600 - 4200 calories per day). I got big and muscular with minimal fat.

Too much fat?

I dunno. I've never had a problem with fat. I just don't see any reasonable arguments against it, including saturated fat. There was a long era where people mistakenly grouped all fats together. Now, they are getting better and recognizing that certain fats are good, but I still believe they're doing it wrong. Instead of saying "fat versus no fat" now we're saying "saturated fats versus everything else." But even saturated fats come in different flavors, and I believe we always get stuck on macronutrients, calories, grams of sugar, etc when we should simply focus on whole foods.

Fact is, I have a hard time believing that grazing on raw nuts or nut butters is a problem, even if you have a bit.

Here's the rub ... I've heard of a lot of people with nut addictions and nut butter addictions. I.e. they start eating peanut butter and can't stop, etc.

9 times out of 10, these people are eating roasted/salted nuts and processed nut butters.

I have in my years of coaching only come across one person who has a problem with overeating raw/natural nuts, i.e. raw unsalted almonds or raw natural almond butter (as opposed to most almond and peanut butters that are made from the roasted versions).

That's just an example. I think the focus shouldn't be x amount from fat, but rather ... if I am getting fat, what are the sources?

Even heavy whipping cream is just skim from the top of what comes out of a cow. (In today's age, it's a different story - like the people who buy 2% milk don't realize almost all milk as all of the fat skimmed out, and then it's added back in later in the game. Heavy whipping cream comes from the excess that's not added back to the skim milks).

Jeremy

Thanx Jeremy, that sets my mind at ease. :tu:

Gordo, who are you directing this to? You've gotta highlight the previous quote. :tu:

Sorry, yeah I meant you Doordude :)

I didn't mean to say you were getting fat....I just remeber you were saying that you were "smoothing out" and you joked about how you are no longer shredded in another thread. I took that to mean that you were taking on some fat.... Didn't me nuthin' by it. :D

As I munch down on my chicken breast with sliced almonds and dijon mustard sandwhich, sprouted grain ...multigrain :drool: ;)

Sorry, yeah I meant you Doordude :)

I didn't mean to say you were getting fat....I just remeber you were saying that you were "smoothing out" and you joked about how you are no longer shredded in another thread. I took that to mean that you were taking on some fat.... Didn't me nuthin' by it. :D

As I munch down on my chicken breast with sliced almonds and dijon mustard sandwhich, sprouted grain ...multigrain :drool: ;)

Gotcha :tu: and you're right, I am smoothing out some. I thought this was to be expected. :confused: Shit Gordo, now ya got me all paranoid. :d_eek:

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It may interest you to know that peanuts are infact not a nut at all. They belong to the "nightshade" family of plants and as such are actually poisonous. As are potatoes when they are green in the peel.