Im new here and so a warm hello to all.Also great site you have here John,thanks.I stumbled onto your website from a friends recomendation.I had been doing BFL and wasnt losing weight.So my last three meals I started to just eat lean protein and sometimes brocolli and the weight is just melting off.So I see when i come here and gather info that that is common practice.Thats good to know :tu:


My question is in regard to whey protein.I notice many here use it and I fully understand why in a PWO meal.You need a protein and a carb that is quickly entered into bloodstream for fast assimilation.Now thats just fine and dandy but the rest of the time you want a slow release protein,especially if your eating pro/fat meals.

Now heres my problem,I am severley hypoglycemic and so if I take a whey shake as I have in the past it drops my blood sugar low.Does anyone else experience this here.If so then shouldnt whey be for PWO meals only?

Then what is a good protein supplement that is slow releasing.I have heard casein and so I am starting to wonder if a milk protein is not the best.Any one have any comments?

Thanks for listening,
Wolf

Does whey protein that is relatively carb free, like ATW or ON 100%, have any effect on insulin? I would think not, but I don't know.

Whey protein is absorbed faster, but I don't think there's any correlation to whey protein's absorption and carb absorption. Or maybe I'm wrong, is there?

I prefer whey PWO and also in the morning when I like to get some protein going in my system quickly. Sometimes if my son wakes me up in the middle of the night for a drink, I'll grab a quick whey shake also just to get an extra protein shot during the night.

I think I'm really just asking more questions here than answering yours...

LoL its ok:)

Yes protein does cause an insulin response but not because of the protein.What I mean is that the pancreas will not secrete insulin due to amino acids floating around in bloodstream.



What happens instead is that the liver takes certain amino acids and converts them to glucose(glucogenesis) :mad: and as this happens and they are released back into bloodstream,you will then get an insulin response from the glucose.



Dr atkins went into this slightly in his book and said that some people just cant get into ketosis due to insulin from protein.He recomends a fat fast of just cream cheese see if that works.



Now my problem with whey always happens about an hour after drinking it.I can only think that my body being so severely hypoglycemic then goes crazy with insulin to bring back down the glucose levels only instead it drops way down.


Ok now,I wonder aloud,if insulin is the culprit and we want less of it for a day and both carb and protein make our bodies secrete insulin,then why not a high carb/low protein diet.Say over a day it secretes the same amount of insulin as a high protein diet,then why eat low carb.Well it boils down to the fact that we are made to eat protein to sustain our mass.So for the same amount of insulin I want protein so I can build my muscles :bb: :db:



Also the fact that high carbs throw our bowels thru the wringer is another reason to eat high protein.



Now back to whey and its insulin response....anyone have any ideas?So all this thinking gets me thinking that maybe a super slow release protein like casein is what i should eat all day.After all I dont get the low blood sugar response from cottage cheese.Now mind you this problem is for people who are severly hypoglycemic like me as if your not then you will not get low blood sugar from protein and so whey is just fine.I will look into ATW's new casien protein and see how that works out.


You know whats crazy,Ive been thinking of this mess of insulin for years and by writing it down just now its starting to make sense :claphigh:



Wolf

WOW :claphigh:

Just stumbled onto this about glucogenesis.I just read that glucogenesis is inhibited by insulin.WOW.Insulin drops when you get severe hypoglycemic and so the body then starts up glucogenesis to keep blood sugar normal.

So that means that if you maintain a normal blood sugar thru a great blood glucose control system,then protein doesnt get a chance to start glucogenesis in first place.


{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Ok so to answer your question,if you arent hypoglycemic and eat some carbs to keep liver full then you shouldnt get insulin response from whey protein}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}




WOW
Sorry for the ranting
Wolf