Hello everyone,

Thanks for providing so much information in one place. I have been reading the forums and started cutting about a month ago. When I first started my weight went up 10 pounds in that first week to 198. (I started Whey Protein and Cellmass Creatine for the first time and have been lifting 5 days a week and 20 minutes of cardio after lifting.) I didn't think much of it at the time, but my weight has not budged even though I have been busting my tail. I do look better in the mirror however, less belly and even some muscle starting to show. Has anyone else experienced this? How long till I will see the weight get lower? It may be because I am eating only around 2100 cals a day, I just don't have the appetite to eat any more. I started this because I wanted to get down to around 175. Any suggestions?

The weight you added was probably water detention due to the creatine. Most don't recommend using creatine if you want to cut. Rather create a calorie deflict of 500 cals or so.

The weight you added was probably water detention due to the creatine. Most don't recommend using creatine if you want to cut. Rather create a calorie deflict of 500 cals or so.

OK, thanks, after this batch I will cut off the Creatine and see what happens.

The weight you added was probably water detention due to the creatine. Most don't recommend using creatine if you want to cut. Rather create a calorie deflict of 500 cals or so.

Creatine is fine for cutting. However, you shouldn't use creatine when you first start a fitness program. You should introduce creatine to your plan after you've trained for a while, developed some muscle, lost some fat, and noticeably changed your body.

Creatine is fine for cutting. However, you shouldn't use creatine when you first start a fitness program. You should introduce creatine to your plan after you've trained for a while, developed some muscle, lost some fat, and noticeably changed your body.

Yeah, I probably should take a break from it for a while and see what happens. It was recommended to me when I first started. I am worried about getting to sore after the gym without it. Is there any other supplements I should be using that will help my muscle recover quickly that I can use while cutting? I love the progress I have had over this last month. Or, do you think I will just be fine with the Whey and my vitamin? -thanks

Yeah, I probably should take a break from it for a while and see what happens. It was recommended to me when I first started. I am worried about getting to sore after the gym without it. Is there any other supplements I should be using that will help my muscle recover quickly that I can use while cutting? I love the progress I have had over this last month. Or, do you think I will just be fine with the Whey and my vitamin? -thanks


They say Glutamine helps muscle recovery, I mix it into my protein shakes. I can't really tell you if it actually DOES help or not because I've never not used it while lifting soo...

sorry I guess that doesnt help much

They say Glutamine helps muscle recovery, I mix it into my protein shakes. I can't really tell you if it actually DOES help or not because I've never not used it while lifting soo...

sorry I guess that doesnt help much

No, thanks for the input. I should just suck it up and go without for a while. I probably won't even be that sore.

If you do a lot of high reps your more likely to get sore. If you want to build some lean muscle i wouldn't recommend you go over 12reps per set. I can get sore with very light weight doing 20's say on the bench but if i do hard 6's i don't get sore.

If you do a lot of high reps your more likely to get sore. If you want to build some lean muscle i wouldn't recommend you go over 12reps per set. I can get sore with very light weight doing 20's say on the bench but if i do hard 6's i don't get sore.

I have been doing 10 rep sets or till exhaustion. I figure I have about 1-2 weeks left of my current supply of creatine, once that is done I will stop using. Hopefully then my weight will drop back down. :tu:

Hello everyone,

Thanks for providing so much information in one place. I have been reading the forums and started cutting about a month ago. When I first started my weight went up 10 pounds in that first week to 198. (I started Whey Protein and Cellmass Creatine for the first time and have been lifting 5 days a week and 20 minutes of cardio after lifting.) I didn't think much of it at the time, but my weight has not budged even though I have been busting my tail. I do look better in the mirror however, less belly and even some muscle starting to show. Has anyone else experienced this? How long till I will see the weight get lower? It may be because I am eating only around 2100 cals a day, I just don't have the appetite to eat any more. I started this because I wanted to get down to around 175. Any suggestions?
I don't see a problem.

Your weight has not budged, but you like what you see in the mirror. Sounds like a good thing to me.

Don't be obsessed with weighing 175. Who cares what you weigh if you look good, have low bodyfat, if your clothes fit well, etc.?

I don't see a problem.

Your weight has not budged, but you like what you see in the mirror. Sounds like a good thing to me.

Don't be obsessed with weighing 175. Who cares what you weigh if you look good, have low bodyfat, if your clothes fit well, etc.?

You know, I am thinking, maybe it is just muscle gain that has increased my weight. The Creatine I am taking is Esterified, which is suppose to limit water retention compared to Creatine Monohydrate. It will be interesting to see what happens once I stop taking it. I will let you guys know.

You know, I am thinking, maybe it is just muscle gain that has increased my weight. The Creatine I am taking is Esterified, which is suppose to limit water retention compared to Creatine Monohydrate. It will be interesting to see what happens once I stop taking it. I will let you guys know.
Could be muscle, absolutely. If so then that's good! :tucool:

I too prefer the CEE and am running it now. Not nearly the same bloat and stomach aches (mono makes me poop all day).

Just in case this makes you feel better.

When I lift, my weight loss stalls every single time, I dont take alot of stock into body typing but if your body type tends to be on the Mesomorph side (large skeletal frame, defined muscles) you could very easily gain muscle even while cutting which would cause you to see small results on the scale.

Dont start a psychological war with yourself over scale weight, its really really easy to do.

Also, just alittle tip that might help,

I would not recommend doing any cardio after lifting, if you do any cardio, I would do it 7-8 hours before/after lifting.

Also, try to limit your whey protien shake intake to after lifting as a post workout meal, you want as much real lean protien as possible during the day, it will help with muscle gain and fat loss.

If your in a bulking cycle and cannot take in enough protien becuase of appetite, thats when whey protien comes in handy. (I calculate that when I start to bulk, I will need alot more protien per day than I think I can actually eat, thats when I will suppliment with the shakes)

Good luck!

Thanks for the tips jbob. I am now a little over a month of trying this, I am definitely going to have to tinker with this workout to see what works best for me.

Just in case this makes you feel better.

When I lift, my weight loss stalls every single time, I dont take alot of stock into body typing but if your body type tends to be on the Mesomorph side (large skeletal frame, defined muscles) you could very easily gain muscle even while cutting which would cause you to see small results on the scale.

Dont start a psychological war with yourself over scale weight, its really really easy to do.

Also, just alittle tip that might help,

I would not recommend doing any cardio after lifting, if you do any cardio, I would do it 7-8 hours before/after lifting.

Also, try to limit your whey protien shake intake to after lifting as a post workout meal, you want as much real lean protien as possible during the day, it will help with muscle gain and fat loss.

If your in a bulking cycle and cannot take in enough protien becuase of appetite, thats when whey protien comes in handy. (I calculate that when I start to bulk, I will need alot more protien per day than I think I can actually eat, thats when I will suppliment with the shakes)

Good luck!

Had to reply to this, since I saw your avatar.

The main reason I started my program is because I quit smoking in Jan and I'm a huge paintball player.

My dream (pipe or not) is to go semi-pro or pro. The problem? I slowed down in my running speed with the weight I put on after I quit smoking.

I know there are some big people playing pro right now, but they tend to be the owners of the teams in question :)

Any reccomendations for speed and such?

Hello everyone,
I started this because I wanted to get down to around 175. Any suggestions?

First off, throw out your weight scale. It isn't telling you anything helpful at all.

A digital camera, a tape measure, and some fat calipers. Those are real tools you can use.

Weight gain/loss can be water-fat-muscle. It's important which it is.

Tape measure, photos, and calipers can tell you if you are on the right track.