Im currently cutting, and i wanted to know whether or not eating artificial sweetners (notably splenda) would harm my goals of losing 2 lbs fat per week ?

No; they're so low in calories that they should have no impact whatsover (unless you start going overboard that is) ;).

Accordingly to there site splenda doesn't have any calories.

Im currently cutting, and i wanted to know whether or not eating artificial sweetners (notably splenda) would harm my goals of losing 2 lbs fat per week ?

Splenda is fine. It's generally considered safer than Aspartame. Aspartame is synthetic, and some diet experts say it can interfere with processes at the cellular level. Splenda is natural and should have no ill effects. I'll double check my label, but I think All The Whey puts Splenda in their blends (called sucralose).

I think Splenda has 2 cal per spoon.

I use it too!

I've used it for years with no ill effects.

Here is something you need to learn when it comes to fat loss. You will never know if something works for YOU unless you try it for YOURSELF. Fat loss is not an exact science by any means. Just because I can lose fat by having a ton of splenda a day doesn't mean you will be able to. Every body is different. After you do this for a while, you start to know your body and you know what works for you. If you aren't sure if something will affect fat loss, try it for a few weeks and gauge your progress using before/after measurements or by visually looking at yourself and make adjustments accordingly.

Good luck

Jason

Splenda is not natural. You get what you get, did you see the news last week that showed a higher risk of diabetes and obesity amoungst those who consumed alot of diet sodas?

Splenda is not natural. You get what you get, did you see the news last week that showed a higher risk of diabetes and obesity amoungst those who consumed alot of diet sodas?

My guess is they eat a lot, and generally don't live healthy lifestyles. Correlation does not = causation.

no in fact theres alot of studies out there that are starting to indicate that the body views artificial sweeteners as the real thing. In the case of aspartame its been linked to weight gain in alot of studies. There was some work being done with sucralose indicating similar effect on insuline production due to taste receptors. I myself use plain unrefined cane sugar in my coffee and thats about it. If I really wanted a soda, very rarely I would have the real thing. Soaking yourself with chemicals and hoping for the best is in my opinion abit counterproductive.

no in fact theres alot of studies out there that are starting to indicate that the body views artificial sweeteners as the real thing. In the case of aspartame its been linked to weight gain in alot of studies. There was some work being done with sucralose indicating similar effect on insuline production due to taste receptors. I myself use plain unrefined cane sugar in my coffee and thats about it. If I really wanted a soda, very rarely I would have the real thing. Soaking yourself with chemicals and hoping for the best is in my opinion abit counterproductive.

I've read the studies. I'm not particularly convinced. I've researched it. The impact artificial sweeteners has on insulin response is negligible compared to sugar. There's a lot of people on this site who have cut to low levels of bodyfat who use splenda, myself included. Not saying this isn't possible with consumption of sugar. But if splenda hurts fat loss, there's a lot of people here (and elsewhere) I know who are defying the odds.

Splenda is fine.

Everything anymore has some kind of bad health effect, or so the news says. People are scared to drink tap water anymore. Its getting out of hand.

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Splenda is not natural. Spenda is a derivative of sugar. The other sweetners, like Aspartame and Saccarin are made from chemicals. Splenda=natural.

This site has been posted before, but maybe you want to check it out.

http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com

HOWEVER, keep in mind that this website is provided by the Sugar Association....draw your own conclusions....

If splenda is in fact harmful, I'll have to stop eating protein bars and drinking whey.
That site (truth about splenda site) indicates that splenda has/is made from chlorine. Wouldn't that be the same as drinking tap water, which also has some amount of chlorine in it?

Spenda is a derivative of sugar. The other sweetners, like Aspartame and Saccarin are made from chemicals. Splenda=natural.

Eh, it's not really natural. It's true that they start with sugar. But ultimately, it goes through a highly chemical process to become Splenda. But I still don't think it's harmul.

Then again, if the bodybuilding community comes down with anything years after consuming products that had Splenda in them, they can sue Johnson&Johnson for millions. ;]

does splenda give anyone else gas? :o

Its been outlawed at my house by my wife, I use stevia powder now, which is 100% natural.

Sometimes a PWO protein shake gives me gas. I used to scoops of protein for a PWO shake yesterday and it gave me terrible gas. Haha. ;]

no in fact theres alot of studies out there that are starting to indicate that the body views artificial sweeteners as the real thing. In the case of aspartame its been linked to weight gain in alot of studies. There was some work being done with sucralose indicating similar effect on insuline production due to taste receptors. I myself use plain unrefined cane sugar in my coffee and thats about it. If I really wanted a soda, very rarely I would have the real thing. Soaking yourself with chemicals and hoping for the best is in my opinion abit counterproductive.Are those studies endorsed by www.aliensareinvadinguswithaspartame.com or such sites? :) snopes.com and plug in aspartame and you'll get some good info. Junkscience.com may have things on it too.

The fact of the matter, backed by studies, is that these artificial sweeteners most definitely are not registered by the body as real calories. They have a zero impact on energy or blood sugar. I agree that it's questionable to inundate the body with chemicals and false-foods like these, olestra, etc. but let's keep it realistic: These are not viewed as sugar and have little/no impact on weight gain/loss.

I can't say how I'd benefit if I didn't take in artificial sweeteners but personally I rely on them a lot and I've never had a problem losing bodyfat and getting thin. I'm utterly convinced that they have no negative effects on my fat loss.

its funny, a neighbor of mine is deadset on the fact that diet soda causes weight gain, I laughed at him (in a nice neighborly way) and he said as soon as he stopped drinking diet soda, he lost 10lbs.

I asked him how much soda he used to drink, and what he is drinking now.

He was drinking over 200oz of diet coke a day and he now drinks water.

I told him that was water weight, but he still doesnt get it and gives me crap everytime he sees me with a diet drink in my hand.


Hmmm, amazing aint it?

Just thought I'd pop into the conversation with a little bit of info too...

A splenda packet has 4 calories. Our FDA doesn't require anything below 5 calories to list them per serving, so that is why diet colas and splenda and butter spray (10 claories per 12.5 sprays) all say 0 calories. It's not true, but that's the little loop-hole. if you dig long enough on the splenda site, they tell you the actual calories contained.

Whether or not you go into the scientific side of things, 4 calories a packet can start adding up when you are drinking a lot of tea, putting it into oatmeal, etc... depends on how "sweet" you make your day. 10 packets and you have 40 calories, and it's easy to hit that with various meals. Sure, 40 calories seems like nothing, but it's those little nothings that can make a difference if you are refining and really trying to take things to the mat.

I've read the studies. I'm not particularly convinced. I've researched it. The impact artificial sweeteners has on insulin response is negligible compared to sugar. There's a lot of people on this site who have cut to low levels of bodyfat who use splenda, myself included. Not saying this isn't possible with consumption of sugar. But if splenda hurts fat loss, there's a lot of people here (and elsewhere) I know who are defying the odds.

Gotta go with JS here. I use splenda with oatmeal, coffee, shit just about everything. I'm pretty lean, lost 50 lbs.

Just thought I'd pop into the conversation with a little bit of info too...

A splenda packet has 4 calories. Our FDA doesn't require anything below 5 calories to list them per serving, so that is why diet colas and splenda and butter spray (10 claories per 12.5 sprays) all say 0 calories. It's not true, but that's the little loop-hole. if you dig long enough on the splenda site, they tell you the actual calories contained.

Whether or not you go into the scientific side of things, 4 calories a packet can start adding up when you are drinking a lot of tea, putting it into oatmeal, etc... depends on how "sweet" you make your day. 10 packets and you have 40 calories, and it's easy to hit that with various meals. Sure, 40 calories seems like nothing, but it's those little nothings that can make a difference if you are refining and really trying to take things to the mat.

Good point. I only use a little splenda in cottage cheese and oatmeal. But it is something to be aware of if you use a lot.

as long as your body does not recognize it as a sugar and it goes right through your digestive system :tu:

shouldn't be warried about 3 cals extra a day or 20 cals

This topic really gets to me. It upsets me because it gives excuses to people who want them. A lot of my family members are overweight, a lot of them were trying to lose weight and instead of regular soda were drinking diet soda. Well as soon as one of them got a hold of one of these rumors about the calories and the cancer with aspertame (no evidence at all) they went back to regular soda. They were saying things like "Losing weight isn't worth dying over". How funny is that statement. Diet soda is going to kill you or diet soda is going to make you gain weight? NO! drinking 2 liters (a day) of pure liquid sugar as regular soda is eventually going to get you.

***Stepping Down From My Rant***

i personally consume more splenda per day than any other human on earth.
there's no way anyone could compete.

so far, no negative effects on fat loss that i can see.
(I go through 1 box of splenda per week)

This site has been posted before, but maybe you want to check it out.

http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com

HOWEVER, keep in mind that this website is provided by the Sugar Association....draw your own conclusions....
I have drawn them long ago and I have never seen anything valid that changed my mind. Splenda is safe and the best form of sweetner for the majority of people. :cool:

I would agree, I use splenda on occasion in low amounts. I however wouldnt touch aspartame as its a methanol based poison. There is some concern about the chlorination process of splenda manufacture, contrary to what some might think this isnt junk science. As far as the artificial sweeteners go it seems to be the safest. But that doesnt mean you should eat pounds of the stuff...each to his own I suppose.

I have drawn them long ago and I have never seen anything valid that changed my mind. Splenda is safe and the best form of sweetner for the majority of people. :cool:

I don't mean to be a d*ck, but where is the proof of this? :confused:

Fantastic response guys and girls !

im now better educated on the matter of splenda. ive always been addicted to sugar, now i can incorporate a little into my diet every week.

The structure of splenda compared to table sugar is similar, however with splenda, if i can recall correctly, 3 chloride atoms are added to the molecule.

It's true that Splenda is chlorinated. Monsanto, the manufacturer of Aspartame, is saying that Splenda is bad because of the chlorination process. This is an ironic twist of fate because Monsanto is the chemical company that unleased chemical hell on earth by developing PCBs (poly-chlorinated biphynols), which are bad. So, to them, the conclusion is logical.

But Splenda is safe despite the chlorination. Remember, table salt is chlorinated. Chlorination itself is not bad. But when you poly-chlorinate a biphynol, that's bad.

But when you poly-chlorinate a biphynol, that's bad.



You sir, are in command.




:tucool:

I always use Sweet and Low. Looks like everyone here uses Splenda :p

If ya'll gonna use splenda, use it. If you are not, then don't. It is now a suppliment, and we all don't eat all our food as suppliments now do we?

I just think even though some people may have side effects to it, when taken in extreme amounts, I think sugars like splenda should be emphasised more to help with the obesity epidemic.

I always use Sweet and Low. Looks like everyone here uses Splenda :p

I use both - sweet and low in my drinks like tea and such and splenda in my food to sweeten it. I just don't like the taste or the lack of one in my drinks as much where I seem to notice it. But I think splenda is great! There are so many foods now that are much easier to work into my diet because of it!

Spenda is a derivative of sugar. The other sweetners, like Aspartame and Saccarin are made from chemicals. Splenda=natural.

Saying splenda is natural is because it started as sugar is the same thing as saying that gasoline is natural because it started as plants and and animals (which then decayed and became oil under high heat and pressure).

Fantastic response guys and girls !

im now better educated on the matter of splenda. ive always been addicted to sugar, now i can incorporate a little into my diet every week.

The structure of splenda compared to table sugar is similar, however with splenda, if i can recall correctly, 3 chloride atoms are added to the molecule.

This is where the average person who does not know much about general chemistry can get very, very confused. The addition or subtraction of even one atom in a molecule can DRASTICALLY change what that molecule is or does, its properties, color, effect... EVERYTHING. Even the shape of molecules which have the EXACT SAME formula can have drastically different effects (if you want to learn about this, look up isomers of molecules).

For example:
Ethane: C2H6 (Two Carbon atoms and Six Hydrogen atoms) - It is a gas at room temperature, is highly flamable, heavier than air, negligibly soluble in water, will asphyxiate if in too high of concentrations.

Ethanol: C2H5OH (Two Carbon atoms, Six Hydrogen atoms, and one Oxygen atom) - Otherwise known as the alcohol that you drink. It is safe to drink in moderate amounts, is fully miscible (soluble) in water, liquid at room temperature, and flamable if in high enough concentration.

So, that whole argument that Splenda is natural, or safer, or better than any other artificial sweetener (not that I am saying that they are bad, because I am not) based on the arguments that their chemical structures are "similar" is just not correct.

i personally consume more splenda per day than any other human on earth.
there's no way anyone could compete.

so far, no negative effects on fat loss that i can see.
(I go through 1 box of splenda per week)A box! Damn!!But when you poly-chlorinate a biphynol, that's bad.But if you isoprpyl the poly-chlorinated biphynol and atomize the oxygenated compound cysts you can safely consume the end product, correct? :claplow:

Saying splenda is natural is because it started as sugar is the same thing as saying that gasoline is natural because it started as plants and and animals (which then decayed and became oil under high heat and pressure).

Gasoline is organic. It's octane.

But I see your example. Splenda is chlorinated sugar. I view this is more "natural" than Aspartame which has nothing natural about it.

Id like to reply to the thread above:

First and foremost im studying biochemistry at university (just to notice where im coming from),

we have to analyse the word 'similar' in the context of splendas structure, which means NOT IDENTICAL but possibly over 85% identical to splenda.

it is true that even the addition of one atom to a molecule can change its function, thats why i said there structures were SIMILAR. similar doesnt necessarily mean that they work the same...

You can give a 10 year old structures of normal sugar and splenda, and even he could deduce that they had 'similar' structures !

the two molecules have similar cyclohexane conformations.

Gasoline is organic. It's octane.

But I see your example. Splenda is chlorinated sugar. I view this is more "natural" than Aspartame which has nothing natural about it.

Just as in information topic, gasoline is not simply octane, and since chemistry is my thing (chemical engineer here), I thought I would elaborate.

Gasoline is a refined product of petroleum consisting of a mixture of hydrocarbons, additives, and blending agents. The composition of gasolines varies widely, depending on the crude oils used, the refinery processes available, the overall balance of product demand, and the product specifications. The typical composition of gasoline hydrocarbons (% volume) is as follows: 4-8% alkanes (octane, decane, etc); 2-5% alkenes; 25-40% isoalkanes; 3-7% cycloalkanes; l-4% cycloalkenes; and 20-50% total aromatics (0.5-2.5% benzene). Additives and blending agents are added to the hydrocarbon mixture to improve the performance and stability of gasoline. These compounds include anti-knock agents, anti-oxidants, metal deactivators, lead scavengers, anti-rust agents, anti-icing agents, upper-cylinder lubricants, detergents, and dyes. At the end of the production process, finished gasoline typically contains more than 150 separate compounds although as many as 1,000 compounds have been identified in some blends.

Id like to reply to the thread above:

First and foremost im studying biochemistry at university (just to notice where im coming from),

we have to analyse the word 'similar' in the context of splendas structure, which means NOT IDENTICAL but possibly over 85% identical to splenda.

it is true that even the addition of one atom to a molecule can change its function, thats why i said there structures were SIMILAR. similar doesnt necessarily mean that they work the same...

You can give a 10 year old structures of normal sugar and splenda, and even he could deduce that they had 'similar' structures !

the two molecules have similar cyclohexane conformations.


Ok, sorry to misread your statement. I have just run into some people who did not much of any chemistry background, and they were trying to tell me that molecules that are similar will always have similar properties. Like the properties of sugar (sucrose) versus splenda (sucralose). It is true that their structures are similar.

Just as in information topic, gasoline is not simply octane, and since chemistry is my thing (chemical engineer here), I thought I would elaborate.

Gasoline is a refined product of petroleum consisting of a mixture of hydrocarbons, additives, and blending agents. The composition of gasolines varies widely, depending on the crude oils used, the refinery processes available, the overall balance of product demand, and the product specifications. The typical composition of gasoline hydrocarbons (% volume) is as follows: 4-8% alkanes (octane, decane, etc); 2-5% alkenes; 25-40% isoalkanes; 3-7% cycloalkanes; l-4% cycloalkenes; and 20-50% total aromatics (0.5-2.5% benzene). Additives and blending agents are added to the hydrocarbon mixture to improve the performance and stability of gasoline. These compounds include anti-knock agents, anti-oxidants, metal deactivators, lead scavengers, anti-rust agents, anti-icing agents, upper-cylinder lubricants, detergents, and dyes. At the end of the production process, finished gasoline typically contains more than 150 separate compounds although as many as 1,000 compounds have been identified in some blends.

Well, being a chemical engineer, can you answer the question? Is splenda good or bad?

from my research, its fine. But too much of most if not everything is BAD. put it this way, cut out sugar but when you need to use some, use splenda without the guilt.

from my research, its fine. But too much of most if not everything is BAD. put it this way, cut out sugar but when you need to use some, use splenda without the guilt.

I realize that and I do use it but with all this scientific jargon being thrown around someone should be able to come up with a cut and dry answer!

YES !!!

dude whats your salary like ??

YES !!!

dude whats your salary like ??

What kinda F-cking question is that?
And here's a question for you.If you knew the answer this whole time, why did you post the question to begin with?

What kinda F-cking question is that?
And here's a question for you.If you knew the answer why did you post the question to begin with?
hahah yeah, who asks that?

let's not forget, snake venom is "all natural" too.
Splenda is fine. period.
if it's not, i garentee i'll be the first one to find out, and i'll let you guys know when i do.

What kinda F-cking question is that?
And here's a question for you.If you knew the answer this whole time, why did you post the question to begin with?

No answer?

hahah yeah, who asks that?

let's not forget, snake venom is "all natural" too.
Splenda is fine. period.
if it's not, i garentee i'll be the first one to find out, and i'll let you guys know when i do.Should you ever stop posting on JSF, give me your email. I'll email you every 6 months and if you respond I can assume that the box-a-week of splenda hasn't yet done you in!

because doordude42, I LEARNT from others on the threads here, try reading a few , IF YOU CAN READ AT ALL !!!

not everything has a black and white answer, except for you of course, your are an idiot and a nutter !!

because doordude42, I LEARNT from others on the threads here, try reading a few , IF YOU CAN READ AT ALL !!!

not everything has a black and white answer, except for you of course, your are an idiot and a nutter !!

Are you familiar with the rules of this forum?
By the way, consider yourself lucky you're an ocean away.

have you heard of a boat ?

because doordude42, I LEARNT from others on the threads here, try reading a few , IF YOU CAN READ AT ALL !!!

not everything has a black and white answer, except for you of course, your are an idiot and a nutter !!Consider yourself warned. Next time you step out of line you're done here.

I think this thread has run its course.