O.K gents,
After reading the popular opinions of which is best for your PWO shake you've all talked me into it.Yesterday I ordered 15 lbs. of maltodextrine and 5 lbs. of dextrose.( would you believe I couldn't find that shit in any stores and had to order it on line)
Anyway, 2 questions:

1) what is the suggested amount for each when using approx. 46 gr. of protein.

2) will this effect my "cut" ?

When cutting I use slightly less than when bulking.

When bulking I use a lot. At 46 grams of protein I would be doing around 140 grams total of malto and dex, so 70g malto / 70g dex. However remember that I am around 220, bulking, and not overly concerned with carb consumption at the moment. Also remember that I have been experimenting for a while with this and the higher intake (around 3 : 1 carb : pro) seems to be working really well for me.

Some people like relatively low ratios. Bluestreak, for example, who has been training for a while now and knows his body well, likes I believe a 1 : 1 ratio (if I remember correctly).

You should experiment. Try doing a 1 : 1 ratio of carb : pro, so start off with 23g malto and 23g dex and see how it works out (46g total). You might decide to bump that slightly after a while.

Also I would invest in a food scale if I were you. The dex and malto won't be easy to figure out without one. You can pick one up for really cheap (mine was like $5 from bodybuilding.com).

Many laymen as well as strength coaches and sports nutritionists say that a 2:1 carbs/protein ratio is optimal for cutting or bulking. They may well be right, but I actually preferred almost a 3:1 ratio when bulking. I used 36g of protein. And 50 g each of malto and dex. Now, I'm leaning out and using a 2:1 ratio. I use 24g of protein and 25 g each of malto and dex. But I'm still tweaking this. I might bump up the amounts of everything a little but still keep the 2:1 ratio.

From recent posts, jsbrook, it seems like you and I think alike! :tucool:

From recent posts, jsbrook, it seems like you and I think alike! :tucool:

Yup!

Thanx guys,
So let me get this straight. I use 2 scoops of ON protein. That's a total of 46 gr. protein, 6 gr. carbs, and 3 gr. f.
Shouldn't I go by the carb gr. in both malto + dex as opposed to bulk weight?

I also use a 1:1 ratio

30g ON Whey and 30g Dex

200 calories

I'm still cutting and refined sugar scares me. :d_eek:

Shouldn't I go by the carb gr. in both malto + dex as opposed to bulk weight?
Yes, but having the scale will make it easier. My malto and dex don't come with scoopers or much in the way of a description on the label.

NOW MALTODEXTRIN
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/carbo.html
Serving size: 1/2 Cup (50g)
Total Carbs: 47g

NOW DEXTROSE
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/dex.html
Serving size: 1.25tsp (4g)
Total Carbs: 4g

Yes, but having the scale will make it easier. My malto and dex don't come with scoopers or much in the way of a description on the label.

NOW MALTODEXTRIN
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/carbo.html
Serving size: 1/2 Cup (50g)
Total Carbs: 47g

NOW DEXTROSE
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/dex.html
Serving size: 1.25tsp (4g)
Total Carbs: 4g
Hey Fast,
Thats the same shit I ordered.Let's make this simple and tell me exactly how much I need of each for a 2:1 split on let's say 37 g pr.

Hey Fast,
Thats the same shit I ordered.Let's make this simple and tell me exactly how much I need of each for a 2:1 split on let's say 37 g pr.
Well, at 2:1, that would be 74g carbs for 37g protein. 37*2=74. :P

I split malto and dex 50/50, so that would mean 37g of each. The dex (4g powder = 4g dex and/or 4g carbs) should be easy, just weigh it out. The malto will be a little trickier, I'll have to look up my formulas (they're on my computer SOMEWHERE...). Still, 3g. difference doesn't seem like much (50g malto powder=47g carbs). Now I am not exact or specific anyway, and do a little bit of rounding or approximate judgements. I'm not that concerned with it being perfect right now anyhow, just pretty close (besides, even 2 apples of the same weight might contain different amounts of carbs, for example; you can never be 100% perfect in your food calculations but you can get close). Anyway, for only 37g malto you could just weigh out the powder (in other words drop the powder onto a food scale) but it won't be perfect. I'm sorry I don't have my formulas handy to accurately judge that, and my math sucks so I can't do it quickly. :o Hopefully Blue or someone else with more knowledge can chime in.

Also, I did a lot of experimenting to come up with MY preferred ratios and weights. I started off low and went up over the course of a couple of months. You should probably do this too imo. Or just hire someone with more knowledge who can give you real insight. :)

Well, at 2:1, that would be 74g carbs for 37g protein. 37*2=74. :P

I split malto and dex 50/50, so that would mean 37g of each. The dex (4g powder = 4g dex and/or 4g carbs) should be easy, just weigh it out. The malto will be a little trickier, I'll have to look up my formulas (they're on my computer SOMEWHERE...). Still, 3g. difference doesn't seem like much (50g malto powder=47g carbs). Now I am not exact or specific anyway, and do a little bit of rounding or approximate judgements. I'm not that concerned with it being perfect right now anyhow, just pretty close (besides, even 2 apples of the same weight might contain different amounts of carbs, for example; you can never be 100% perfect in your food calculations but you can get close). Anyway, for only 37g malto you could just weigh out the powder (in other words drop the powder onto a food scale) but it won't be perfect. I'm sorry I don't have my formulas handy to accurately judge that, and my math sucks so I can't do it quickly. :o Hopefully Blue or someone else with more knowledge can chime in.

Also, I did a lot of experimenting to come up with MY preferred ratios and weights. I started off low and went up over the course of a couple of months. You should probably do this too imo. Or just hire someone with more knowledge who can give you real insight. :)
Thanx Bro,
I'm sure i'll figure this shit out eventually.(I hope)

Yes, but having the scale will make it easier. My malto and dex don't come with scoopers or much in the way of a description on the label.

NOW MALTODEXTRIN
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/carbo.html
Serving size: 1/2 Cup (50g)
Total Carbs: 47g

NOW DEXTROSE
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/dex.html
Serving size: 1.25tsp (4g)
Total Carbs: 4g

Fast,
I see the dextrose has 4 g carbs per tsp. Am I supposed to use 10 tsp. to get 40 g. That's probably a stupid question but this supplement is new to me and that seems like a lot of powder.