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Novabound08
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 11:24 AM
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/member.php?u=7575

I tried to use glenn_001's picture above to explain what Im talking about. He has what I consider an ideal chest, big, hard, yet cut. Most importantly it pops out, and his core is two tiered. My question is, do you see that popping out effect at lower body fats. I have a pretty big chest and Im getting into my cutting phase and my bf is around 15%, 185lbs. If I can get that down around 8%, is there a good chance I can get that effect (granted I will need to add some more muscle before my chest looks like his)?

Enigma66
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 11:56 AM
If I can get that down around 8%, is there a good chance I can get that effect?
You won't know until you get there, everyone's different.

rtestes
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 11:56 AM
I tried to use glenn_001's picture above to explain what Im talking about. He has what I consider an ideal chest, big, hard, yet cut. Most importantly it pops out, and his core is two tiered. My question is, do you see that popping out effect at lower body fats. I have a pretty big chest and Im getting into my cutting phase and my bf is around 15%, 185lbs. If I can get that down around 8%, is there a good chance I can get that effect (granted I will need to add some more muscle before my chest looks like his)?

I am sure that Glenn is on the left and mike menzter is on the right. Both have great chest. I think Glenn is at 12% or lower while who knows where menzter was at the time.

Can you? I don't know and you won't till you give it a dedicated try. Have you posted a picture? It depends on genes, hard work, and diet. We never know or can predict an outcome like that. We can say Woody Allen can't be like Arnold to talk extremes.

Novabound08
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the replies, I was talking about glenns pic on left (icon). My chest does pop out now however it isnt as hard or sharp a cut as glenn's. Cutting down to 10%, I hope to get rid of that final chest fat and fat on top of the abdominal (the last fat to go for most ppl i believe). My goal is to drop 5% by september, see where I am at and do a clean bulk staying under 10% bf if necessary.

As for my cut, is a diet around 2000cals (breakdown 50 g pro/40 g carb/10 g fat), with cardio 30 min 5x a week and lifting 5x a week (chest 2x) a good plan. The dedication will be there, just never having the opportunity to experience a fit a body like this makes me wonder if it is at all possible.

rtestes
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 12:29 PM
My goal is to drop 5% by september, see where I am at and do a clean bulk staying under 10% bf if necessary.

As for my cut, is a diet around 2000cals (breakdown 50 g pro/40 g carb/10 g fat), with cardio 30 min 5x a week and lifting 5x a week (chest 2x) a good plan.

On exercise most of the time, less is better, of course it has to be effective. When will you rest and recover?

On diet the gm don't add up to calories - 50X4 =200 and 40X4 = 160 and 10X9=90 or 450 calories. If you meant % rather than gms, I think you are overkilling on protein and not enough fats.

JabbaTheGutt
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 02:25 PM
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/member.php?u=7575

I tried to use glenn_001's picture above to explain what Im talking about.


Dumb question but are those actually pics of Glenn - if so wow! Excellent stuff Glenn... :tucool:

G

Novabound08
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 04:01 PM
On exercise most of the time, less is better, of course it has to be effective. When will you rest and recover?

On diet the gm don't add up to calories - 50X4 =200 and 40X4 = 160 and 10X9=90 or 450 calories. If you meant % rather than gms, I think you are overkilling on protein and not enough fats.

Monday: Chest/Tris
Monday Night: Cardio
Tuesday Morning: Shoulders
Tuesday Night: Cardio/Abs
Wednesday: Legs
Thursday: Cardio/Abs
Friday: Chest/Tris
Saturday:Back/Bis
Saturday Night: Cardio
Sunday: Cardio/Abs

And yes I meant % not grams and frankly I like high protein foods. But in order to get sufficient fats, would say a PB sandwich a day work? What actually is the actually purpose of good fats, stored energy? Isn't cutting an attempt to destroy this stored energy and can't this source of energy be achieved through carbs? Thanks for the replies.

betastas
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Fats are used in your body to produce hormones, kept a mental balance, regulate bodily functions, repair tissues, and are a great source of energy. Fat has been giving a bad rep by dietary standards of the past 50 years. Fat doesn't make you fat. High calories do. A lack of fats in a diet can lead to mood disorders, depression, fatigue, irritibility, and emotional problems. A lack of fat can also prevent the body from losing fat. It'll hold on to what it has if it isn't receiving enough in diet.

The tricky part about carbs is that while insulin is high, the body's ability to burn fat is greatly reduced. However, eating fats allows you a source of energy without inducing an insulin response. There are all sorts of more complicated reasons behind this too.

I would go with 40% carb, 40% protein, 20% fats. You don't want to reduce your fats more than that.

Have a tbsp of olive oil for some good fats. A handful of almonds or peanuts also does the trick. A favorite of mine is to cook a chicken breast, cut it into strips, spice them, and put them in a container with nuts. In about an hour you have a delicious snack, high in protein and fats.

EDIT: That's WAYYY too much time in the gym. I'd only go about 3 times a week on a cut, with cardio MAYBE twice or less (in addition). Rest is your friend here, otherwise you will lose muscle mass.

glenn_001
Thu, June 16th, 2005, 08:02 PM
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/member.php?u=7575

I tried to use glenn_001's picture above to explain what Im talking about. He has what I consider an ideal chest, big, hard, yet cut. Most importantly it pops out, and his core is two tiered. My question is, do you see that popping out effect at lower body fats. I have a pretty big chest and Im getting into my cutting phase and my bf is around 15%, 185lbs. If I can get that down around 8%, is there a good chance I can get that effect (granted I will need to add some more muscle before my chest looks like his)?

Ive only had my bodyfat tested once and that was the same day that pic was taken, with calipers, they said about 7 - 8%.
That picture is a combination of fairly good development low bodyfat and an excellent camera angle... lol
It very hard to keep such a low bodyfat percentage so i dont try, im around 12% now and about 18 lbs heavier.
If you have a fairly big chest then getting low bf % will give you a similar look. :tu:
The pic of mentzer is my goal.

Novabound08
Fri, June 17th, 2005, 12:22 PM
Probably a stupid question, but is there a way to build muscle mass in one specific area while on a cut? Say eating as if you were bulking the day of and the day after you work out that area (when the muscle fibers are healing).

rtestes
Fri, June 17th, 2005, 12:48 PM
Probably a stupid question, but is there a way to build muscle mass in one specific area while on a cut? Say eating as if you were bulking the day of and the day after you work out that area (when the muscle fibers are healing).
I wouldn't do any special eating. Your workouts on a cut or a bulk ( I hate that word) should be the same. The results will be what you as a indiviual produces. Genes, lack of stress, proper rest and etc. play a part but the effectiveness of your workout rules the roost. You should know when you walk out of gym if the workout worked.

I doubt if anyone has really found out how to feed the muscle, we guess. I am not sure there is only one way to do it. Just like there isn't one way to workout. I would say focus on one thing at a time, cut now and bulk later, diet wise. For exercise always build muscle.