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Primetime
Fri, May 13th, 2005, 12:23 PM
I read some of the threads and I found that alot of people are taking the following:

Beverly International Super Pak
Glutamine Peptide Powder (Kent Nutrition)
ETS Supplement (AtLarge Nutrition)
Creatine Monohydrate Powder (Kent Nutrition)
Chrondroitin (Kent Nutrition)
Glucosamine (Kent Nutrition)
MSM (Kent Nutrition)
Whey Protein Isolate Supplement (All The Whey)
Dextrose
Green Tea Extract

What does the MSM, chrondroitin and ETS supplements do for you? I am familiar with the others.

Right now I'm taking vitamin C, B, calcuim and Zinc in addition to the daily diet that looks like this:

7:30AM 2 egg whites 1 egg with yolk (all hard boiled)
8 oz of milk with 1 scoop of protien powder
1 cup of Kashi Go Lean Crunch cereal

10:30AM 20 synders prezzel sticks
1 low fat yougart

1:00PM tuna or turkey sandwich on 2 slices of wheat breat
Salad with low fat dressing and 3 hardboiled egg whites

4:30PM Chicken breast
1 cup of peas or green beans
1 cup of OJ

7:30PM 8 oz of milk with 1 scoop of protien powder
1/4 cup of almonds

This is about 1900 calories of which 190g is carbs (40%) 190g is protien
(40%) and 44g is fat (20%) . My BMR is around 1900 to 2000, (27 years old, 6'1) I drink about a gallon of water throughout the day as well.

I'm thinking about adding the suppliments listed above to the diet. Any thoughts?

JeremyLikness
Fri, May 13th, 2005, 12:37 PM
Super Pak - multivitamin. It is a good multi, I prefer the one with the company that I partner with - it costs a little more but contains a broader spectrum of nutrients and doesn't give my wife headaches like the Super Pak did - you can contact me offline for a link if you're interested.

Either choice, however, will be a good one for a multi and far better than the cheap grocery store brands most people take.

Glutamine - may help with recovery and with strengthening the immune system, which is important when you are training intensely because intense training temporarily weakens the immune system

ETS - don't know anything about this but I'm sure plenty of others do

Creatine Monohydrate - the old standby for increasing capacity to do work, and thereby indirectly resulting in lean mass gain provided you are training properly and recovering appropriately. Good stuff if you're on a bulking phase.

Chondroitin/Glucosamine/MSM - all joint-related supplements, well-studied and plenty of anecdotal evidence they help to support joint strength and recovery. I'd also add a pharmaceutical grade grapeseed extract into the mix, as this acts like a natural COX-II inhibitor and is like a natural Celebrex (only more potent, without the side effects)

Whey - protein. Pure and simple. Now, there is a huge mythology arising around protein powders, these are now mystical supplements that are superior and better yada yada but personally, great physiques were built before whey. Whey is a good protein, but the key for proteins is to simply find one in your budget and that you enjoy the taste of. Unless you are a competitive body builder, the "edge" you will gain from one protein powder over the other isn't too significant in my experience, considering I've seen top natural bodybuilders who use whey, who use soy, who use protein blends, and everywhere in between

Dextrose - post-workout magic. Again, PWO is relatively new. Is it necessary? No, plenty of great physiques were sculpted before these became popular. Will it help? Perhaps, if you train intensely enough to justify it. I've also had success using bananas and raw cane sugar.

Green Tea Extract - this is one of the few new-fangled supplements I'm actually a fan of. Regardless of whether all the fat loss claims are true or not, there is a ton of evidence that this is a powerful, healthy antioxidant.

The C, B, and Zinc you're taking are fine, but you'll really want to jump into a full multivitamin to cover the full spectrum. Here's some more information about multivitamins:

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/cms/index.php?itemid=209

It's interesting to note that unless the multi is pharmaceutical grade, which requies that it adheres to standards established by the FDA as GMP (good manufacturing practices) including testing of the quality of the raw materials and final product, there is no guarantee that what is on the label is in the bottle. The response is often, "I can't believe a big company would not have what they claim." The reality is that ConsumerLabs recently tested 47 different products and found 11 (that almost a quarter of the total lot) failed their tests for reasons including: ingredients too high of a dose of nutrients that are dangerous in high amounts, being short on ingredients compared to the label claim, being contaminated with lead, and failing to dissolve properly.

Jeremy

I read some of the threads and I found that alot of people are taking the following:

Beverly International Super Pak
Glutamine Peptide Powder (Kent Nutrition)
ETS Supplement (AtLarge Nutrition)
Creatine Monohydrate Powder (Kent Nutrition)
Chrondroitin (Kent Nutrition)
Glucosamine (Kent Nutrition)
MSM (Kent Nutrition)
Whey Protein Isolate Supplement (All The Whey)
Dextrose
Green Tea Extract

What does the MSM, chrondroitin and ETS supplements do for you? I am familiar with the others.

Right now I'm taking vitamin C, B, calcuim and Zinc in addition to the daily diet that looks like this:

7:30AM 2 egg whites 1 egg with yolk (all hard boiled)
8 oz of milk with 1 scoop of protien powder
1 cup of Kashi Go Lean Crunch cereal

10:30AM 20 synders prezzel sticks
1 low fat yougart

1:00PM tuna or turkey sandwich on 2 slices of wheat breat
Salad with low fat dressing and 3 hardboiled egg whites

4:30PM Chicken breast
1 cup of peas or green beans
1 cup of OJ

7:30PM 8 oz of milk with 1 scoop of protien powder
1/4 cup of almonds

This is about 1900 calories of which 190g is carbs (40%) 190g is protien
(40%) and 44g is fat (20%) . My BMR is around 1900 to 2000, (27 years old, 6'1) I drink about a gallon of water throughout the day as well.

I'm thinking about adding the suppliments listed above to the diet. Any thoughts?

Primetime
Fri, May 13th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Thanks for the quick reply Jeremy! I was hoping you would see this and reply as highly value your opinion! Good info there! Any particular pharmaceutical grade grapeseed extract I should pick up? Also, the Protien powder that I currently have is GNC pro performance 100% whey. I think that once that runs out, I'm going to give All The Whey a try for taste and mixing evaluation.

chris mason
Fri, May 13th, 2005, 04:08 PM
ETS is a very unique product which only we offer.

What it will do is allow you to train harder, more often which will enhance the results from your training. It does so by greatly enhancing your recovery (to include a dramatic reduction in soreness).

Give it a try, you will be glad you did.

JeremyLikness
Fri, May 13th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Pharmaceutical grade grapeseed extract is pretty standardized across the board. Just make sure it's marked "pharmaceutical grade" on the bottle, and be sure it is grapeseed and not just grape extract, which is completely different.

The company that I partner with has a product if you have trouble finding it, but anything pharmaceutical grade would be up to par in my opinion. If you have trouble finding it, shoot me a PM and I'll give you the info for what I have.

Jeremy

Thanks for the quick reply Jeremy! I was hoping you would see this and reply as highly value your opinion! Good info there! Any particular pharmaceutical grade grapeseed extract I should pick up? Also, the Protien powder that I currently have is GNC pro performance 100% whey. I think that once that runs out, I'm going to give All The Whey a try for taste and mixing evaluation.