I am 17 weeks out now since I started to train, and I post a couple of pictures.

The first are my back, from training week 5

This second picture are my upper body, from week 9


This third picture are legs at week 9 (note that I did not train the calves before this picture was taken (only legpress).



My next picture will be a back picture again.



Here is a new back picture, 17 weeks out, please compare this to the one 5 weeks out..
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what is your weight now, what was it when you started?
do you have pictures of week 0, and then pictures from week 17 to compare?
what is your diet like?
height?

what is your weight now, what was it when you started?

Measured on the same week, it was 124 lbs on week 0, and 148 lbs now, however I have bought a new, better digital weight, and that show my weight are around 142 now..However the old weight should be true about the amount of weight gained.



I dont have any pictures from week 0, unfortunatly. I am gonna take new pictures in not to long, I was thinking my back next time, or my legs again seems the calves are growing fast, but I think I will give it some more time before taking a new picture of them, trying to get some time between shots so I can see the difference.

[QUOTE=what is your diet like?

My diet is like breakfast, plus lunch, plus a protein shake, dinner, and before night meal. Sometimes weightgainer before training, and the last 4 weeks I have taken a small spoon of creatine a day. For snack I have replaced sugar sodas like coke, and chocolade, and use nut's for snack, like cashew nuts, popcorn, and things that are not sugar..

Before I started to train I typically ate a chicken baguette for lunch, and a large dinner (that was all).

[QUOTE=height? [/QUOTE]

I am 5"9

You have a lot of room to grow. but that's not a bad thing. You can't really argue with an 18 pound gain. Certainly good progress. In regards to your previous post about having only put on 4 lbs of muscle, I really don't think that's true. I can't imagine your body having 14 lbs less fat than you have on it now! You must have added more muscle than you thought. This may not be the place to post it, but you should post a detailed description of your diet in the nutrition forum. The right foods in the right amounts is a HUGE component of adding quality muscle. I would also definitely NOT attempt any of Arnold's training at the point you're at now. But keep up the good work. Eat lots of high quality food, and train smart. (more is not always better). And you will reach your goals. :gl:

You have a lot of room to grow. but that's not a bad thing. You can't really argue with an 18 pound gain. Certainly good progress. In regards to your previous post about having only put on 4 lbs of muscle, I really don't think that's true. I can't imagine your body having 14 lbs less fat than you have on it now! You must have added more muscle than you thought. This may not be the place to post it, but you should post a detailed description of your diet in the nutrition forum. The right foods in the right amounts is a HUGE component of adding quality muscle. I would also definitely NOT attempt any of Arnold's training at the point you're at now. But keep up the good work. Eat lots of high quality food, and train smart. (more is not always better). And you will reach your goals. :gl:

Thanks

When I started I barely had any fat under the skin, not enough to grip with the finger, and a six pack (washboard are more accurate), and now there is plenty fat, no six pack anymore, lots of fat , not sparetire yet, but there is quite some fat, looks like I have a middle ground metabolism so try not to put in to mutch food.. I need to buy a fat gauge that's pretty accurate. I am having more fat now than in the week 5 and 9 pictures. I doubt I have gained that mutch lean mass, because I was pretty skinny/lean before I started to train, but could be as mutch as 6 lbs, if I am very lucky. It is possible for you people to pinpoint my body type? I was thinking I am an ectomorph, but I am not sure, because of the metabolism not beeing that high..

You definitely look like an ectomorph to me. I wouldn't really worry about getting an accurate fat gage at this point. I find them hard to find anyhow. You should just get your body fat taken professionally from time to time. Worry about eating to bulk and a soild lifting program. I'd recommend HIT. Stick with clean foods and good carbs. A proper PWO shake. Beginners guide to bulking is a good read. Your description was vague. But your diet looks protein-light. Veggie light. How about fruits? I would have some protein with every meal. I'm not a fan of weight gainer. Good for adding fat and not much else. It's basically low-quality protein and a lot of sugar. It would be better to eat a healthy meal before training and a PWO shake after. Did you use the formulas to figure out your proper caloric intake? And are you meeting it with the proper foods?

Eat a lot of food and lift heavy. Perhaps max-ot and then cut back on cardio a bit if you are doing any right now.

Eat a lot of food and lift heavy. Perhaps max-ot and then cut back on cardio a bit if you are doing any right now.

Thanks everyone, I'd really feel I blow up to mutch if I start bulking like madman, I dont need mutch calories, somewhere around 2000 a day to bulk, I have mutch more fat now, than on the first picture, I have gained fat everywhere on my body, compared to week 5, the skin on my arms feel like it's tight even before pumping up. I have tried to back off the calories, but after I started using creatine the weight have just went up and up, so I' just trying to stick with quality food, and a proteinshake a day for now. I am thinking of doing cardio again, so the fat issue dont spin out of control..

Weight increases from creatine are just water weight. You shouldn't gain so much fat to muscle in a bulk. Especially at lower calories. You won't gain muscle if you don't eat. I think the biggest determinant of whether fat or muscle is predominantly gained is the right foods eaten at the right times, coupled with the right training. Really consider the training you'rw doing. Post your detailed weekly training to the weight training section to get feedback. In terms of calories, (speaking generally), one could eat 3000 calories of the right clean foods at the right times paired with the right training and gain more muscle and less fat than someone eating 2500 calories of poor food choices and not consumed at the right time and not tailored to fuel workouts and recovery for muscle growth. I'd recommend a DETAILED description of your diet, including pre-workout and post-workout in the Nutrition section. Continue to try to learn and make adjustments to your program based on the new knowledge. :gl:

Thanks everyone, I'd really feel I blow up to mutch if I start bulking like madman, I dont need mutch calories, somewhere around 2000 a day to bulk, I have mutch more fat now, than on the first picture, I have gained fat everywhere on my body, compared to week 5, the skin on my arms feel like it's tight even before pumping up. I have tried to back off the calories, but after I started using creatine the weight have just went up and up, so I' just trying to stick with quality food, and a proteinshake a day for now. I am thinking of doing cardio again, so the fat issue dont spin out of control..

Thanks for all the advice, I'd put out that picture I took yesterday..I think I am going for 3 protein shakes a day from now..

I am putting out some stats for the two bodyparts that respond best to my training:

The chest, probably my fastest growing bodypart, I think mostly grow from the pec dec, my favorite.

The thight devenlopment, have occured using mostly hack squats and
leg press (I always go so far down so thights meet chest)

Relaxed and cold measurements everything

Chest Before 36 inches
Thights 18.5 inches

Now:
Chest 39.5 inches
Thights 21 inches

Glutues maximus, most visually responding(no measurements).

Last week I took a break from workouts, to recover fully from some shoulder pain, and this week I started a split program (as oposed to the full body workouts 3 times a week I have been running so far).

From experience I have not responded any good to split workouts (nothing seems to happen, to mutch rest?), but I am gonna give it a try again since everyone seems to be training this way.

Glad you're having gains. Have you gotten your diet in line yet? Split programs are not the only effective way to train. People have great success with full-body, too. But they can be very effective. Good luck!

Those legs need Squating:) Keep it up.
Looks like you have a fast mathobolisme, eat more calories then avreage people.. Good luck

I have added a lat spread picture taken today.


My weight is up around 6 lbs since the last back picture

thights have increased to 21.7 inches

I have just started to do dead lifts, been doing them for two workouts and I really love it.

My last workout was only side raises, behind neck press, chins, bench, pec dec, deep squat, and dead lifts from the floor.

That was a really heavy workout, and still very short. A total of 20 sets, with around 6 reps on each.

Nice work, Lionstar! A definite visual improvement since your last pictures. Keep it up.