OK, so I have these jelly beans from easter that have no fat, no protein, just carbs. Would they be OK for a handful of jellybeans, along with dextrose, as carbs for PWO?

Or should I just stick with dextrose and leave the 'beans for cheat day

If they have no carbs, I assume they are sugar free?

Jason

He lists Carbs in there.
They will be pure sucrose. Technically they will ellicit an insulin response, but they won't be very beneficial to your muscles and body. It depends on how many you have, or what you consider a handful. If it's like 200g of Jelly Beans, then that's a bad move. If it's like <10 or something, it wouldn't do much.

Leave those jelly beans alone! No, just kidding.. :lol: Anyway, of course it has no protein or fat because it's like candy, mostly made of sugar (if I'm not mistaken). On some specific amount, they will tend to rise your insulin level, and since you're eating them for post-workout, some will say that's it's fine. But I think you can eat something with more nutritional value than jelly beans, fruits for example. But again it's up to you, if you're happy eating them for post workout, and doesn't hinder your progress, then keep it up. By the way, remember one important thing, "portion size". Oh, by the way, personally I try to lower my 'plain' sugar intake during cutting, it's believed to lower the body's ability to burn fat and increase the chances of storing them...

For PWO, why not use jelly beans? It might not be optimal but so what? One thing I'd be worried about though... It'd be difficult to cheat with a tub of pure dextrose whereas it would be very easy to cheat with stray jelly beans lying around. For that reason alone I would be nervous of having them for PWO. If you have the willpower, go for it, but I wouldn't be able to eat them only after working out. They would definitely become part of breakfast lunch and dinner. That's why I don't buy that crap!

Oh you have no idea dude, my parents and grandparents and I share the same kitchen(reasons not to share) and my granny just goes all out on the sweets. We have jelly beans, chocolates, donuts, chips, baked goods, and more! It's just so damn hard not to sneak a little jelly bean or cookie while I am grilling chicken on the 'foreman.

Oh, by the way, personally I try to lower my 'plain' sugar intake during cutting, it's believed to lower the body's ability to burn fat and increase the chances of storing them...

Jelly beans have plain sugar right? I hope you don't mean dextrose :d_frown:

You would want dextrose!
Jelly Beans have SUCROSE, this is not what you want to be eating. If you're looking for justification, you wont find it here - sucrose will not help your body recover. The muscles are much less able to utilize sucrose than glucose.
It's all about willpower. I find the less I ate of some things, the less I wanted them after a while.

Ah ok, maybe I will just slowly go off of them, it'l be easier. I know what you mean about the sucrose now. I think it's just the old, fat me, the binger.

call me crazy but isn't sucrose just a glucose and fructose molecule hooked together? One little chemical cleave and there's your glucose...

call me crazy but isn't sucrose just a glucose and fructose molecule hooked together? One little chemical cleave and there's your glucose...

I checked the ingredients on a bag of jellybeans I've got and top of the list is "glucose syrup". It may not even be a matter of a chemical cleave... :confused:

yeah bisous that is correct...which is why I think it's crazy for people to say sucrose sucks while dextrose is the shit. Dextrose is 2 glucose molecules linked together so that needs to be cleaved before it can be utilized as well. Probably done by the same damn enzyme as the one that breaks sucrose.

Still not a good idea to have candy lying around.

Honestly, I don't have huge amounts of knowledge regarding the differences between sucrose and glucose in a PWO state. While your muscles use glucose, the liver primarily uses fructose. Unless I'm mistaken, the sucrose you ingest will have a "half-effect". Half of it will help your muscles, the other half wont.
As for the bag containing the glucose syrup.. :confused:
It would probably ellicit the same response as dextrose.. I'm not overly positive about that, but if it works, do it!

Honestly, I don't have huge amounts of knowledge regarding the differences between sucrose and glucose in a PWO state. While your muscles use glucose, the liver primarily uses fructose. Unless I'm mistaken, the sucrose you ingest will have a "half-effect". Half of it will help your muscles, the other half wont.
As for the bag containing the glucose syrup.. :confused:
It would probably ellicit the same response as dextrose.. I'm not overly positive about that, but if it works, do it!

does this mean the fruit i'm taking as my pwo sugar is not really that beneficial compared to taking dextrose? :(

does this mean the fruit i'm taking as my pwo sugar is not really that beneficial compared to taking dextrose? :(
I wouldn't agree with that... Having fruit for PWO is healthy and beneficial. heck, fruit is healthy and beneficial.
I'm no expert regarding sucrosem glucose and dextrose myself, but as far as I know, having candies for PWO is not beneficial or you're body. If you want to have them once in a while, no big deal :tu: But every PWO? I don't think it'll help you much :(

I'm not a sugar expert... but if you ONLY have fructose PWO you will likely be missing out on glycogen replenishment and an insulin spike for the protein. However, having fructose in addition to a glucose source would be fine. Fructose from fruit sources is healthy, fruits provide the body with fibre, roughage, vitamins and minerals from a natural source. I don't think you could go wrong with that, just don't rely on it for your primary PWO replenishment.

I'm not a sugar expert... but if you ONLY have fructose PWO you will likely be missing out on glycogen replenishment and an insulin spike for the protein. However, having fructose in addition to a glucose source would be fine. Fructose from fruit sources is healthy, fruits provide the body with fibre, roughage, vitamins and minerals from a natural source. I don't think you could go wrong with that, just don't rely on it for your primary PWO replenishment.

hmm, typically i do 8 oz milk + whey + some fruit (like citrus or banana), is there glucose in the milk or is that a diff. type of sugar? if so, is it enough glucose?

hmm, typically i do 8 oz milk + whey + some fruit (like citrus or banana), is there glucose in the milk or is that a diff. type of sugar? if so, is it enough glucose?

milk is lactose, and milk is fatty so it is completely negating the effects of any sugar any way by slowing uptake of the protein.

so PWO you want something very simple eg. glucose (dextrose) with a high GI to create an insulin spike to shuttle the protein to the muscle's and also to replenish the glycogen in the muscles so that your muscles burn glycogen instead of breaking down the muscles for energy.

sucrose, lactose and fructose are disaccharides and they are absorbed fast, just not as fast as glucose which is a monosaccharide. this is why glucose is reccomended PWO rather than the others.

also rather than milk use water so much more effective

~v

milk is lactose, and milk is fatty so it is completely negating the effects of any sugar any way by slowing uptake of the protein.

so PWO you want something very simple eg. glucose (dextrose) with a high GI to create an insulin spike to shuttle the protein to the muscle's and also to replenish the glycogen in the muscles so that your muscles burn glycogen instead of breaking down the muscles for energy.

sucrose, lactose and fructose are disaccharides and they are absorbed fast, just not as fast as glucose which is a monosaccharide. this is why glucose is reccomended PWO rather than the others.

also rather than milk use water so much more effective

~v

oh, i use skim anyway, so that would be better than water right?

oh, i use skim anyway, so that would be better than water right?

No water is still better with whey and dex

~v

sucrose, lactose and fructose are disaccharides and they are absorbed fast, just not as fast as glucose which is a monosaccharide. this is why glucose is reccomended PWO rather than the others.

ummm isn't dextrose a disaccharide of 2 glucose molecules.......

no - dextrose is glucose. Maltose (I believe) is a disaccharide of two glucose molecules. Glucose is called dextrose because of the way it reflects polarized light. That's the knowledge a year of organic chemistry and 2 years of biochemistry left me with...


I'm not convinced that 200g of dextrose is really all that much better than a pile of jolly ranchers for the insulin spike (other than the fact that a scoop of dextrose would not a fun cheat make and keeps your carbs pure and separate) - but as I'm a girl, and generally always cutting, and my lean mass is small that I wouldn't require 200g of dextrose unless I lifted a truck and ran 20 miles with it... maybe I should just sit back and let the debate go on without me.

At the moment, I'm in the candy camp. My dentist might have something to say about that, but I don't see there being much difference between drinking and chewing your simple carbs.