Interesting atricle about some new studies. Maybe more proof that we humans were really meant to be omnivorous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm

Notice how 2 oz of meat made a huge difference, pretty interesting.

But that wasn't really a vegan diet in the study - is was a poor community in Africa's substistance diet. I imagine kids raised vegan in northern california with moms who shop at organic stores chock full of different kinds of veggies and get their flinstones vitamin with the b12 probably do fine.

Of course teenagers who are vegetarians (the ones of my acquaintance, anyway) ate all sorts of wacky crap - met one girl at a clinic who got scurvy becuase all she ate was coke and cheetos.

"I'm a vegetarian" she said.

Personally, I figure I have a nice set of incisors designed to rip meat, so no harm no foul evolutionarily in eating it :)

I imagine kids raised vegan in northern california with moms who shop at organic stores chock full of different kinds of veggies and get their flinstones vitamin with the b12 probably do fine.


I am not so sure. Some things will have to be supplemented I think. Here on a vegetarian website http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html they say :

Vitamin B12 is a member of the vitamin B complex. It contains cobalt, and so is also known as cobalamin. It is exclusively synthesised by bacteria and is found primarily in meat, eggs and dairy products. There has been considerable research into proposed plant sources of vitamin B12. Fermented soya products, seaweeds, and algae such as spirulina have all been suggested as containing significant B12. However, the present consensus is that any B12 present in plant foods is likely to be unavailable to humans and so these foods should not be relied upon as safe sources. Many vegan foods are supplemented with B12. Vitamin B12 is necessary for the synthesis of red blood cells, the maintenance of the nervous system, and growth and development in children. Deficiency can cause anaemia. Vitamin B12 neuropathy, involving the degeneration of nerve fibres and irreversible neurological damage, can also occur.

One of the great things about this web site is the information that one can gain but everyone should check facts and think critically about things. I did read the article, however I haven't read the study, but I have a few questions:

Did she conduct studies in other countries or cultures where people eat vegan diets?

Was anything stated as to the number of calories eaten, nutrients consumed, specific foods ingested of any of the diets?

Were the children malnurished?

Did she take into account socio-economic factors of the group or people studied?

Does USDA, the organization that she is working for, support the interests of diary, cattle, and beef farmers?

Is the "meat" industry an important part the US economy?

The author of the study also stated "denying growing children animal products in their diet during the critical first few years of life was "unethical". Does the author or anyone think that it could possibly be unethical to feed their children or themselves animal flesh?

Has it been proven that it is possible for people to live heathfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet?

What does the article ultimately do?

Does it put fear into the minds of people that don't know much about vegetarian and vegan diets (the majority of people)?

Does it get others angry or upset (the minority who are on or who are raising children on a vegan diet)?
:read:

Good points, Jet. Not everything is as it seems to be, hu?

That study was done on a poor african community who ate nothing but beans and corn. Giving them 2 more ounces of just about anything would have shown progress.

In response to Jets post when it mentions how unethical it would be to raise children vegan, isnt exploiting these poor children for scientific research a bit unethical?

another good article to think about
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/sandy_china_study.htm

Generally, I think that the study was pretty simple. They started giving some meat to kids who were raised on non-meat diet. I do think that prior to this these kids did NOT get a "scientific" vegan diet, they just got whatever the parents could give them.


Did she conduct studies in other countries or cultures where people eat vegan diets?

Most likely not.


Was anything stated as to the number of calories eaten, nutrients consumed, specific foods ingested of any of the diets?

Were the children malnurished?


Don't know.


Did she take into account socio-economic factors of the group or people studied?


No, but it was NOT the focus of the study (and findings). All it said is that giving meat to kids who did not get it helped their development.

Granted, that drawing the conclusion that because of this, it is unethical to feed kids vegan diet might be far fetched, still the initial findings are interesting.



Does USDA, the organization that she is working for, support the interests of diary, cattle, and beef farmers?

Is the "meat" industry an important part the US economy?


Yes to probably both but so does it support all "vegetable farmers" the same way.


The author of the study also stated "denying growing children animal products in their diet during the critical first few years of life was "unethical". Does the author or anyone think that it could possibly be unethical to feed their children or themselves animal flesh?


Probably not but let's not try to make the two things sounds the same. What the author claims is that you are harming your kids if you don't give them meat. Because kids cannot know and fix it themselves, it is unethical for the adult to do so.

In terms of ethics raising/killing/even torturing animals should - in my view - not be on the same page as hurting human beings, especially kids.

(Please keep in mind that I am not saying that her initial assumption is correct, just trying to explain that the "level of unethicalness" is way different - at least in my mind.)

Has it been proven that it is possible for people to live heathfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet?


Don't know but again, the whole point of the study is that it was a very simple situation. I could ask you, has it been proven that all vegan parents do extensive learning and make sure that their kids are getting everything they need?

I think the point of the study is just that, if you generally don't care/know about nutrition/diets/etc, it is better to give your kids meat.


What does the article ultimately do?

Does it put fear into the minds of people that don't know much about vegetarian and vegan diets (the majority of people)?

Does it get others angry or upset (the minority who are on or who are raising children on a vegan diet)?

It probably does NOT put fear into the meat-eaters. What do "we" care what other people eat? The only thing it does, it might make "us" more ignorant about vegan diets by enforcing a subliminal thought that it is not natural and healthy.

Yes, it probably does anger vegan people but so what? The goal of the study was not to make everyone feel good about what they eat but to test out if giving meat to poor african kids can benefit them.

Does not make much sense to me.

I know People who are pure vegans, never touched meat in their life and are much healthier compared to many who eat meat.

My favorite part is:

"Professor Allen stressed that although the study (which was partially supported by the National Cattleman's Beef Association) was conducted in a por African community that was malnourished, its message was highly relevant to people in developed countries."

:lol:

In reply to your reply Bunko:

Most of my questions were rhetorical. It was to get you to look at the other side of things, which you tried to do, but ended up getting really defensive. In your rebuttal, yep it was that, you state that the study was "pretty simple". So why go on to argue? Why even make the first post with the topic "Vegan diets can harm children"? And what is this: "... a 'scientific' vegan diet"?

No kidding socio-economic factors were not the focus of the study. Do socio-economic factors that have a huge influence on the outcome of the study? You better believe they do.

You disagree with my assertion that there is fear. The American Heritage® Dictionary states this: "Fear -(2) To be uneasy or apprehensive about. At the very least, will some people be apprehensive about being or raising their children vegan after seeing that article?

Your words:

"In terms of ethics raising/killing/even torturing animals should - in my view - not be on the same page as hurting human beings, especially kids. (Please keep in mind that I am not saying that her initial assumption is correct, just trying to explain that the "level of unethicalness" is way different - at least in my mind.)"

So are you suggesting that you believe that it is "more unethical" for parents to raise their children vegan? And having your kids on a vegan diet is worse (because it harms kids) than torturing animals?

Later you say this "I think the point of the study is just that, if you generally don't care/know about nutrition/diets/etc, it is better to give your kids meat." So you should care about nutrition/diets/etc. Why? Look at the forum you are on. And if you are concerned about the health and welfare of children you should also care.


My words: Has it been proven that it is possible for people to live healthfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet?

Your words:

"Don't know but again, the whole point of the study is that it was a very simple situation. I could ask you, has it been proven that all vegan parents do extensive learning and make sure that their kids are getting everything they need? "


What do you mean you don't know if it is possible for a person to live healthfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet? You don't know any health vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating people? Look at the end of this post and I'll give you a list of people that you may know of that were, at least, vegetarian and many who were vegan. By the way, when you said, "I could ask you," did ask me by making it a question instead of a statement. And if you really read your question you are not making a point with it at all. It's an absurd question and has nothing to do what I was saying.


Your words:

"it might make "us" more ignorant about vegan diets by enforcing a subliminal thought that it is not natural and healthy."

No it doesn't make you more ignorant and you aren't "enforcing" anything you could, however, be reinforcing negative stereotypes that it is unhealthy, unnatural and dangerous to be, or at least, raise your children vegan. And who is “us”? It is you who is putting forth opinion.

You wrote, "it probably does anger vegan people but so what? What do "we" care what other people eat?"

Who are “we”? I guess you don’t care about what many of the people are trying to accomplish on this forum. Many do care about what others eat and are trying to helps other make, in many cases, positive choices. And I have one last question if your really believe your assertion (What do "we" care what other people eat) :why would you even start this thread?


Vegetarians or vegans
In the past:

Louisa May Alcott, writer
Clara Barton, nurse and the first president of the American Red Cross
Charles Darwin, author and scientist
Leonardo da Vinci, artist
Isadora Duncan, dancer
Thomas Edison, inventor
Albert Einstein, physicist
Ben Franklin, American statesman, philosopher and scientist
Mahatma Gandhi, Indian independence leader
Jerry Garcia, musician, member of Grateful Dead
Sylvester Graham, inventor
Doug Henning, magician
John Harvey Kellogg, physician and scientist
Linda McCartney
Bob Marley, musician
John Milton, writer
Sir Isaac Newton, physicist
River Phoenix, actor
Plato, physicist and writer
AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, founder of ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness)
Pythagoras, Greek philosopher
Swami Satchidananda, spiritual leader
Albert Schweitzer, musician, physician, Nobel Peace Prize winner
George Bernard Shaw, writer and Nobel Prize Laureate in Literature
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelly, English novelist
Percey Bysshe Shelley, English poet
Upton Sinclair, author
Isaac Bashevis Singer, writer & Nobel Prize winner
Socrates, Greek philosopher
Benjamin Spock, author and pediatrician
Henry David Thoreau, writer
Leo Tolstoy, author
Vincent Van Gogh, painter
Voltaire, French writer
HG Wells, author
John Wesley, religious leader

Present Vegetarians:

Andre 3000 (vegan), in Outkast, musician
Fiona Apple, singer
Bryan Adams, musician
Dammon Albarn, musician (Blur)
Shri Appleby, actress
Christina Applegate, actress
Casey Affleck, actor
Quinn Allman (The Used)
Lauren Anderson, musician
Pamela Anderson, actress
Maxine Andrews, singer with Andrews Sisters
Rosanna Arquette, actress
Amitabh Bachchan, Indian actor
Erykah Badu (vegan), singer
Dave Baksh (Sum 41)
Brigitte Bardot, actress
Bob Barker, TV personality
Kim Basinger, actress
Angela Bassett, actress
Jeff Beck, musician
Ed Begley Jr, actor
Amber Benson, actress
Elizabeth Berkley, actress
Billy, guitarist (Good Charlotte)
Linda Blair, actress
Traci Bingham, actress
Linda Blair, actress
Orlando Bloom, actor
Cindy Blum, opera singer
Surya Bonaly, Olympic figure skater
Boy George, musician
Berke Breathed, cartoonist
Brandy Norwood, singer (vegan)
Christie Brinkley, model
Brandon Brooks, actor
Pierce Broson, actor
Roger Brown, professional football player
Hunter Burgan, musician (AFI)
Ellen Burstyn, actress
Peter Burwash, tennis pro, Davis Cup winner
Lauren Bush, model and niece of the president
Andreas Cahling, bodybuilder
Chris Campbell, Olympic medallist in wrestling
David Carradine, actor
Adam Carson, musician (AFI)
Juhi Chawla, Indian actress
Deepak Chopra, medical doctor and author
Julie Christie, actress
Chelsea Clinton, daughter of ex-president
Phil Collen, musician
Rachael Leigh Cook, actress
James Cromwell, actor
Skeeter Davis, country singer
Doris Day, actress
Brad Delp (Boston)
David Duchovny, actor
Joe Elliot, guitarist with Def Leppard
Michael Eisner (Disney CEO)
Shannon Elizabeth, actress
Melssa Etheridge, rock singer
Kevin Eubanks, musician (Tonight Show)
Peter Falk, actor
Corey Feldman, actor
John Feldman (Goldfinger)
Bill Ford (CEO of Ford Motor Company)
Jorja Fox, actress
Michaek J Fox, actor
Peter Gabriel, musician
Richard Gere, actor
Sara Gilbert, actress
Elliot Gould, actor
Dick Gregory, runner (fruitarian)
Geoffry Giuliano, TV Ronald McDonald
Darah Hanah, actress
Woody Harrelson, actor
Emmylou Harris, singer
Josh Hartnett, actor
Richie Havens, musician
Davey Havok, musician (AFI) vegan
Ruth Heidrich, three time Ironman
Dustin Hoffman, actor
Keith Holmes, WBC World Middleweight Champion
Desmond Howard, Heisman trophy winner and professional football player
Jeph Howard, musician (The Used)
Steve Howe, guitarist with Yes
Hunter, musician (AFI)
Chrissie Hynde, musician
Natalie Imbruglia, singer
India, Arie, singer
Janet Jackson, singer
Michael Jackson, singer
Andrew Jacobs Jr, US Indian congressman
Mick Jagger, musician
Steve Jobs, Apples Computers founder & CEO
Steve Jocz, musician (Sum 41)
Howard Jones, singer
Orlando Jones, actor
Andy Kaufman, actor
Casey Kasem, radio personality
Dr John Harvey Kellogg, doctor
Jamie Kennedy, actor
Anthony Kiedis, musician (Red Hot Chili Peppers)
Billie Jean King, tennis champion
Joel, musician (Good Charlotte)
Daniel Johns, musician (Silverchair)
Nastassja Kinski, actress (states she is pretty much a vegetarian, but not totally)
Lenny Kravitz, musician
Dennis Kucinich, Congressman
Anil Kumble, Indian cricket star
K. D. Lang, musician
Dean Ornish M.D. "Eat Me Less" author
Tony La Russa, manager of Oakland Athletics
Jude Law, actor
Choris Leachman, actress
Sheryl Lee, actress
Annie Lennox, rock singer
Phil Lesh, bass player of the Grateful Dead
Marv Levy, head coach of the Buffalo Bills
Ananda Lewis, former BET "Teen Summit" host, former MTV VJ, talk show host
Kenny Loggins, musician
Joanna Lumley, actress
Howard Lyman, autor (vegan)
Benji Madden, musician (Good Charlotte)
Joel Madden, musician (Good Charlotte)
Tobey Maquire, actor
Catherine Malfitano, opera singer
Bill Manetti, powerlifting champion
Billy Martin, musician (Good Charlotte)
Chris Martin, musician (Cold Play)
Steve Martin, actor and comedian
James McCartney
Paul McCartney, musician
Stella McCartney, designer and daughter of Paul and Linda McCartney
Cone McCasin, musician (Sum 41)
Ian McKellen, actor
Natalie Merchant, singer
Michael Medved, film critic
Moby, musician
Demi Moore, actress
Mary Tyler Moore, actress
Morrisssey, singer
Edwin Moses, Olympic track gold medallist
Larry Mullen Jr, musician (U2)
Mya, singer
Joe Namath, football player
Martina Navratilova, tennis professional
Kevin Nealon, comedian
Olivia Newton-John, singer and actress
Stevie Nicks, musician
Leonard Nimoy, actor
Paavo Nurmi, long distance runner with 20 world records
Conor Oberst, musician (Bright Eyes)
Todd Oldham, fashion designer
Tatum O'Neal, actress
Kelly Osbourne, singer
Ozzy Osbourne, singer
Carrie Otis, model
Anna Paquin, actress
Alexandra Paul, actress
Tatjana Patitz, musician
Bill Pearl, four-time Mr Universe
Anthony Peeler, Minnesota Timberwolves
Laban Phiedias, pro skater
Joaquin Phoenix, actor
Summer Phoenix (Sister of River, vgan)
Kate Pierson, singer with B-52
Gary Player, champion golfer
Martha Plimpton, actress
Natalie Portman, actress
Stan Price, world record bench press holder
Prince, musician
Prodigy, musician (Mobb Deep)
Jade Puget, musician (AFI)
Bonnie Raitt, musician
Tyler Rann (Midtown)
Phylicia Rashad, actress
Littel Richard, musician
Rikki Rockett, musician (Poison)
Fred Rogers, TV's Mr Rogers
Murray Rose, Olympic gold medallist and world record holder in swimming
Charlotte Ross, actress
Todd Rundgren, musician
RZA, record producer, composer of Kill Bill soundtrack, member of Wu-tang Clan
Gabe Saporta, musician (Midtown)
Heath Saraceno, musician (Midtown)
Claudia Schiffer, model
Fred Schneider, musician (B-52s)
Tom Scholz, musician (Boston, vegan)
Dave Scott, six-time Ironman triathlon winner
Steven Seagal, actor
Peter Sellers, actor
Ally Sheedy, actress
Russell Simmons (vegan), music, designer
Grace Slick, musician
Ringo Starr, musician
Stic.man (Dead Prez)
Julia Stiles, actress
Michael Stipe, musician (R.E.M.)
Rider Strong, actor
Serj Tankian, musician (System of a Down)
Leigh Taylor-Young, actress
Ed Templeton, pro skate-boarder
John Tesh, TV personality
Tina Turner, singer
Shania Twain, country singer
Liv Tyler
Cicely Tyson, actress
Eddie Vedder, musician (Pearl Jam)
Milo Ventimiglia, actor
Eddie Vedder, musician (Pearl Jam)
Lindsay Wagner, actress
Lesley Ann Warren, actress
Keenen Ivory Wayans, actor (vegan)
Dennis Weaver, actor
Deryck "Bizzy D" Whibley, musician (Sum 41)
Persia White, actress
Jane Wiedin, musician (The Go-Go's)
Gary Anthony Williams, actor
Vanessa Williams, actress
Weird Al Yankovic, comedian, singer (vegan)
Dwight Yoakam, country western singer
Thorn Yorke, musician (Radiohead)

from: http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/FamousVeg.htm

Don't forget about Hitler. He was a vegetarian. :lol:

First, let me just say that I think we are getting way too serious about this article.

Now, just to clear one other thing up, it is my personal belief that it is probably easier to eat meat and probably much more work to be vegan just because we humans are omnivorous.

So why go on to argue? Why even make the first post with the topic "Vegan diets can harm children"? And what is this: "... a 'scientific' vegan diet"?

Simple, I read something that I found interesting and I posted it here to see what others think about it.

By 'scientific' vegan diet I meant a diet that has some nutritional science/knowledge behind it other than a "don't eat meat because it is bad to kill animals" thought. I do know people who stop there and have no real knowledge about what they should or should not eat as vegans, all they know is that they won't eat meat.

At the very least, will some people be apprehensive about being or raising their children vegan after seeing that article?

Do you really think that a) parents who are NOT vegan will raise their kids vegan in general and b) parents who are vegan will stop being vegan because of one pretty insignificant article? I don't think so.


"(Please keep in mind that I am not saying that her initial assumption is correct, just trying to explain that the "level of unethicalness" is way different - at least in my mind.)"

So are you suggesting that you believe that it is "more unethical" for parents to raise their children vegan? And having your kids on a vegan diet is worse (because it harms kids) than torturing animals?


No and I think it was clear from the section I left in the quote also. I did not say that she was correct in that vegan parents hurt their kids, all I was saying that hurting kids (like beating them, starving them, etc) is much worse than any nasty stuff we humans can do to animals.

So you should care about nutrition/diets/etc. Why? Look at the forum you are on. And if you are concerned about the health and welfare of children you should also care.

Come on, most of these articles are not written for the JSF crowd. How many times have we discussed the usability of the advised BMI ranges? Most of these things are for the (fairly ignorant) general public. Telling them that a little meat cannot hurt their kids is not a bad thing. People who spend hours reading nutritional labels in supermarkets don't really *need* these generic guidelines anyway.


My words: Has it been proven that it is possible for people to live healthfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet?

Your words:

"Don't know but again, the whole point of the study is that it was a very simple situation. I could ask you, has it been proven that all vegan parents do extensive learning and make sure that their kids are getting everything they need? "


What do you mean you don't know if it is possible for a person to live healthfully on a vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating diet?
You don't know any health vegetarian, vegan or meat-eating people?

That is not what I asked. What I pointed out is that it is not necessary that all vegans know exactly how to "supplement" the stuff they are missing from meat/milk, how to get everything their body needs, etc.

all is not any


And if you really read your question you are not making a point with it at all. It's an absurd question and has nothing to do what I was saying.


Oh yes, it does. The fact that something is (can be) proven in terms of possibility does not mean that this thing is general practice.


Your words:

"it might make "us" more ignorant about vegan diets by enforcing a subliminal thought that it is not natural and healthy."

No it doesn't make you more ignorant and you aren't "enforcing" anything you could, however, be reinforcing negative stereotypes that it is unhealthy, unnatural and dangerous to be, or at least, raise your children vegan. And who is “us”? It is you who is putting forth opinion.


Look, all I was saying that with my very primitive mind the fact that humans are omnivorous animals seems to me that we should eat "everything we can get our hands on". That is what seems to me natural. Whether these beliefs are reinforcing a negative stereotype or not I am not that sure about.

Btw, "us" is the meat-eaters in general.


You wrote, "it probably does anger vegan people but so what? What do "we" care what other people eat?"

Who are “we”? I guess you don’t care about what many of the people are trying to accomplish on this forum. Many do care about what others eat and are trying to helps other make, in many cases, positive choices.


No, what I was referring to is that it apparently is wrong to express any opinion that might offend someone in today's PC society. Do you think that if this woman really believes in her study she should still not publish it just because it can anger the vegans?

The second part of my statement is that while I try to help people who ask for advice with whatever knowledge I have, I would NOT hate them or even really care if they chose to do something else and eat crap all the time. I trust that we are adults and can decide what we want to eat.


And I have one last question if your really believe your assertion (What do "we" care what other people eat) :why would you even start this thread?


See above, I wanted to see what other people think about the article.


Vegetarians or vegans


Quite frankly I find this list pointless, if it tries to prove that there are lots of exceptional people who are vegans, I don't think anyone would question it.

The guy above was right, Hitler was a veg.
Bunko, I'm not posting again. Just read what you have written before you post and comment. If you don't give a toss don't write back. If you can't debate or let it go don't bother. If someone gives me some constructive criticism or challenge my beliefs on things, I'm greatful and I try to take something from it and maybe read a bit more about it. Once again you got defensive. You're not getting it.

Without getting into the vegan debate, I'd just like to say that in the West, surely eating too little fruit and veg is a bigger problem than too little meat. Looking at the bigger picture, we should try to encourage at least more veg eating.

I would like to say I am definitely a meat eater. However, it has also become apparent to me that kids do not need a lot of meat to grow. In fact, ask most people with 1-5 year olds and I think you will find carbs are by far their foods of choice. I don't think it is because of junk foods either. My son eats little to no junk and goes though loads of veg, pasta, bread, fruit etc.. but will go off meat of any kind for days at a time. At some point he will start eating meat and fish again, but given a choice, often it is left.

Since he does actually like meat, watching his eating patterns it is clear to me that he tends to want to eat what his body needs.

He does get a lot of protein from milk.

I don’t know what exactly counts as vegetarian/vegan, but considering how much protein my son eats, I would say he could easily fulfill those needs without meat or even milk with a modicum of effort.

Bunko, I'm not posting again. Just read what you have written before you post and comment. If you don't give a toss don't write back. If you can't debate or let it go don't bother. If someone gives me some constructive criticism or challenge my beliefs on things, I'm greatful and I try to take something from it and maybe read a bit more about it. Once again you got defensive. You're not getting it.

Sorry, I don't understand this post.

Does not make much sense to me.

I know People who are pure vegans, never touched meat in their life and are much healthier compared to many who eat meat.

I wonder if that isn't just because people who have made a decision to eat a vegan diet have made a decision to live a healthy life-style. You know what I mean?

Like saying, people who are memberes of JSF are more healthy than the general population. It may very well be true, but is it because we're members here, because of any one thing we do, or is it because we've all made a decision to try to live healthier?

Now, just to clear one other thing up, it is my personal belief that it is probably easier to eat meat and probably much more work to be vegan just because we humans are omnivorous.
People are omnivorous because they choose to be. (Unless of course your situation presents you only with an omnivorous diet which would mean you would have to eat an omnivorous diet.) I am vegan because I choose to be and Im guessing you are a meat-eater because you choose to be. And eating/following a vegan lifestyle requires just the same effort that the people here put in to eat healthy. (I dont eat at KFC when everybody else does because they have very little to offer me and many people on this forum dont eat there beacuse they are not healthful, so they also have nothing to offer them)

Jet

I do not argue with vegetarians. And I don't know what your point was in listing "past vegetarians". But two from that list that I know about are very suspicious. When you list Einstein and Edison as being Vegetarians you imply that their great thought/invention can be attributed to their vegetarian life. But Einstein was probably only a vegetarian for the last year or two of his life. And at best Edison was and off and then on again vegetarian. And for him it was later in life and after he got sick that he quit eating meat.

Geoffry Giuliano, TV Ronald McDonald

Quite ironic this guy is a vegetarian. Guess you gotta pay the bills somehow. :lol:

Jet

I do not argue with vegetarians. And I don't know what your point was in listing "past vegetarians". But two from that list that I know about are very suspicious. When you list Einstein and Edison as being Vegetarians you imply that their great thought/invention can be attributed to their vegetarian life. But Einstein was probably only a vegetarian for the last year or two of his life. And at best Edison was and off and then on again vegetarian. And for him it was later in life and after he got sick that he quit eating meat.

I think the point was to show that vegetarianism and veganism isnt such a radical or crazy idea after all.