Any thoughts about carcinogenic sweeteners in your protein supplement?

All-the-Whey uses sucralose, better known as Splenda. It is not (as yet) shown to be carcinogenic, though there are many supposed caveats with its use. Sucralose is derived from regular old, natural sugar and is utilized in such small quantities in the products my wife and I eat, I find its presence innocuous. Aspartame is being scrutinized more than sucralose these days. Saccharin is now being sold without the carcinogenic labeling and is being reintroduced into food products, with the FDA's approval...

Everything causes cancer these days. Everything is somehow unsafe, if you listen to the media and "the experts". The leading cause of death is life. Should we all stop living too?

Don't worry about every nanogram of food that passes your lips and enjoy life. Study after study stating that pumping a 55-gallon drum of <insert latest food product here> through a rat will cause it to get cancer isn't something that will scare me away from its use.

All-the-Whey uses sucralose, better known as Splenda. It is not (as yet) shown to be carcinogenic, though there are many supposed caveats with its use. Sucralose is derived from regular old, natural sugar and is utilized in such small quantities in the products my wife and I eat, I find its presence innocuous. Aspartame is being scrutinized more than sucralose these days. Saccharin is now being sold without the carcinogenic labeling and is being reintroduced into food products, with the FDA's approval...

Everything causes cancer these days. Everything is somehow unsafe, if you listen to the media and "the experts". The leading cause of death is life. Should we all stop living too?

Don't worry about every nanogram of food that passes your lips and enjoy life. Study after study stating that pumping a 55-gallon drum of <insert latest food product here> through a rat will cause it to get cancer isn't something that will scare me away from its use.

First of all I was just curious ...as I too want to look great but not at the expense of a shortened life due to something that can be avoided.
I understand Cheamelion recommends it in our cottage cheese, etc. She sounds like a fan of it. I guess its difficult to find something that is not harmful for us to ingest with no side afffects BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE.
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You should live here in Europe for a few years ... there are more cancer causing stuff in foods than you can believe ... also they are allowed to produce products with no labels stating what the ingredients are... Mainly you see E this and E that ... Regulation is lax to say the least ...

Here is some info I just got within minutes through google ...

Sweetener # of Studies

Saccharin 3001
Aspartame 774
Cyclamates 653
Sucralose 76

As to the comment "Aspartame is being scrutinized more than sucralose these days. Saccharin is now being sold without the carcinogenic labeling and is being reintroduced into food products, with the FDA's approval ... "

I guess if you look at the studies you can understand why... 3775 combined studies for saccharin and aspartame compared to Sucralose 76 ...according to this source ...

A 1998 report in Chemical Week states that the high-intensity sweetener market is about $1.5-billion/year. Big Business!

People who have used sucralose's first hand experience http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm

Interesting statement about weight loss and sucralose ...According to Consumers' Research Magazine "There is no clear-cut evidence that sugar substitutes are useful in weight reduction. On the contrary, there is some evidence that these substances may stimulate appetite."

Complete list of products with

sucralosehttp://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

I am using ATW but will be looking for a better " life extending" product when I come back to Canada ... unless I stop living that is ... and that is quite possible sometime ... :claplow:

First of all I was just curious ...as I too want to look great but not at the expense of a shortened life due to something that can be avoided.
I understand Cheamelion recommends it in our cottage cheese, etc. She sounds like a fan of it. I guess its difficult to find something that is not harmful for us to ingest with no side afffects BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE.
:tucool:
You should live here in Europe for a few years ... there are more cancer causing stuff in foods than you can believe ... also they are allowed to produce products with no labels stating what the ingredients are... Mainly you see E this and E that ... Regulation is lax to say the least ...

Here is some info I just got within minutes through google ...

Sweetener # of Studies

Saccharin 3001
Aspartame 774
Cyclamates 653
Sucralose 76

As to the comment "Aspartame is being scrutinized more than sucralose these days. Saccharin is now being sold without the carcinogenic labeling and is being reintroduced into food products, with the FDA's approval ... "

I guess if you look at the studies you can understand why... 3775 combined studies for saccharin and aspartame compared to Sucralose 76 ...according to this source ...

A 1998 report in Chemical Week states that the high-intensity sweetener market is about $1.5-billion/year. Big Business!

People who have used sucralose's first hand experience http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm

Interesting statement about weight loss and sucralose ...According to Consumers' Research Magazine "There is no clear-cut evidence that sugar substitutes are useful in weight reduction. On the contrary, there is some evidence that these substances may stimulate appetite."

Complete list of products with

sucralosehttp://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

I am using ATW but will be looking for a better " life extending" product when I come back to Canada ... unless I stop living that is ... and that is quite possible sometime ... :claplow:


Whoa man ... I just read a few of the 4 or so pages of people who used Splenda from the link I found ... I think it may be good and wise to re evaluate the foods we ingest for the purpose of weight loss, fat burning or bulking. :gl: :bb: :db: ..... :read:

Not sure of the carcinogenic effects. I tend to think the risk minimal from the overall body of reasearch I have read. But Consumer Research point does not really apply to most of us here. It may apply to a general population with poor diet. It may stimulate appetite, but it only makes a difference for those who allow themselves to overeat. Most or all people who belong to this forum who use sucralose control their diet, and they consume the appropriate amount of calories and macronutrients for their goals. The sheer difference in calories between sucralose (essentially zero) and sugar allows for this for those who use it where they would otherwise use sugar. (or suffer the taste of food they don't like when unsweetened)

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Interesting statement about weight loss and sucralose ...According to Consumers' Research Magazine "There is no clear-cut evidence that sugar substitutes are useful in weight reduction. On the contrary, there is some evidence that these substances may stimulate appetite."

I think the attacks are a bunch of bull, that no one with walking about sense would not see through. I just wonder what the agenda is of the people carrying it on.

I think the attacks are a bunch of bull, that no one with walking about sense would not see through. I just wonder what the agenda is of the people carrying it on.

Yeah its tough to really say ... so little studies on this sucralose that its very difficult to gauge who is authentic and who is bull ... I would hate to have that kind of attitude in my personal doctor if I had reactions to products with the stuff in it... I hope he would take it seriously.


But to say that ... its like the guy at the gym the other day who responded to me after I bought the ATW protein supplement ... " Oh you don't need that you just need to eat better ... that stuff won't help you a bit ... " I respond " Yes ... and??? " He couldn't even tell me what foods had protein or not. To him it sounded like common sense ...after all he survived a major heart attack and looks like he is 35 instead of 65 ...to me it sounded like a person who is not open for alternatives, narrow minded and uneducated ...

The artificial sweeteners get a lot of press, because they're marketed directly to consumers and have recognizeable brands, but the other artificial flavors and preservatives, the ones with names you never learn that are put in your food without your knowledge, aren't any better. The BHT in almost any breakfast cereal you've ever eaten is a heck of a lot worse for you than saccharine, aspartame, or sucralose (well, sucralose hasn't been around long enough to say that, but that's a guess).

If you are worried about the effects of artificial sweetners, you should also be worried about artificial colors, artificial flavors, and preservatives. Yet another reason to never eat anything that comes out of a box.

But there's nothing in whey supplements that is necessarily part of that group. It's just dehydrated, powdered cheese waste. Sure, it doesn't taste awesome or anything, but it isn't filet mignon or nothin', nor is it used for that purpose. Just get the unflavored supplement, and you can stop worrying.

after I bought the ATW protein supplement .....
ATW delivers to Norway? Yes, the Artifical sweetners make good troll fodder, it fills the net. :cool:

ATW delivers to Norway? Yes, the Artifical sweetners make good troll fodder, it fills the net. :cool:


ha ha ha ... actually ATW does deliver to Norway ... the other product I am using is called Prostar Whey Protein and has the stuff we have been talking about.

Norwegians are seemingly healthy people with healthy diets... but you can see the weight gains in the younger generation lately ... lots of artificial stuff around andthey are not as active as they once were ...ifthings don't change they will experience alot of what the States currently is experincing with overweight problems and conditions.
Ok time to go skiing! :tu:

Ok time to go skiing! :tu:

Rather late, night skiing? :lol:

Rather late, night skiing? :lol:

I live in Bergen and there is a mountian which has lights ... probably poor conditions but hey its going out and going skiing.
finally some awesome weather ... clear all through Norway ..people are at thier hyttes enjoying the weather ...

Rtestes er du norsk?

People who have used sucralose's first hand experience http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm



Based on the symptoms described and the medications given to those individuals by doctors, it sounds like many of them were having an allergic reaction. Also it sounds like some of them are too eager to find a cause and its easy to attack something they don't know much about (Sucralose in this case). I think some of these people jumped to conclusions too fast, it may have been something else in their diet or environment that caused the reactions.

I use ATW and I've never had a bad reaction to it so I assume sucralose is ok for my body in the short term. Long term, its hard to tell; it hasn't been a product available long enough to gauge the long term effects. It's something I'll continue to monitor but I'm not going to be too worried about it until I see some solid proof that sucralose is any more harmful than any of the other artificial products in foods that I eat.

I heard a funny story which I'm sure is not true but found it interesting anyways. Somebody once told me that Aspartame may have been the cause of the Gulf War Sickness from Desert Storm in the early 90's. Because the Coca-Cola Company donated truckloads of Diet Coke, which supposedly contains Aspartame, to the soldiers. Since Aspartame at high temperatures of I believe 85 degrees F and above turns into formaldehyde, which couldn't possibly be good to ingest. So all the Diet Coke was sitting out in the desert cooking into formaldehyde and all the soldiers were drinking it and that is one theory of how they got the mysterious Gulf War sickness. But wouldnt it turn into formaldehyde anyways since we have a hot body temperature? And a lot of ppl store Diet Coke in their hot garages during the summer time and we dont hear of them getting mysteriously sick.... O well just thought it was interesting. Gulf War sickness probabluy came from some of Saddams chemical weapons that he may have had at the time...As far as saccharin goes I thought scientists gave up on that being carcinogenic and that the FDA or w/e no longer requires companies to label their products containing saccharin......

Gulf War sickness probabluy came from some of Saddams chemical weapons that he may have had at the time...

Or the amount of shit they pumped the soldiers with because they were worried about the chemical weapons.

Sorry to hijack!

Given the amount of that stuff the general population eats, I would guess it is no worse than anything else. There are always going to be some people that have reactions to some foods, and competing industries looking to discredit each another.

everything these days gives you cancer, i personally ahve accepted that im getting cancer and dont worry about it

I have 1 pack splenda with my oatmeal every morning and ATW Vanilla blend every afternoon and at night at workout nights and have YET to have 1 single issue with splenda, and these people are saying they've had it once or twice and had these problems. And yes as for cancer pretty much everything causes cancer these days.

I am using ATW but will be looking for a better " life extending" product when I come back to Canada ... unless I stop living that is ... and that is quite possible sometime ...

They do sell unflavored or isolate which has nothing added to it :P

Its funny but I never said or implied that I was afraid of carcinogenic sweetners or paranoid ... I was just curious what others thoughts on the matter were and if those thoughts are founded rationally.

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