Hey all,

i am wondering if there is a difference in results or nutritional values with regards to whey protein as opposed to soy protien. unfortunatly i am unable to have whey protein (because of dairy and kosher issues), therefore if i were i to begin using soy protein is it pretty much the same (results and health wise).

thanks alot

keep well, ~yossel

Soy is an inferior supplement on many levels but if you can't do whey... hmmm I'd probably just opt for whole foods.

The notion of better or worse is really a moot point. It makes since if you are competing in a bodybuilding show and have to work on that extra tiny little ounce of muscle to get an edge over your competition, and it makes sense to consider if you are eating NOTHING but soy or whey or whatever.

Most people, however, are focused on general health, gaining muscle, losing fat, etc. For this purpose, soy is fine - it's no better or worse than whey or any other protein. You get protein from a variety of sources throughout the day, and the body draws from all of those sources. It doesn't suddenly stop building muscle or recovering simply because one given source isn't scoring high on a protein availability test, etc.

Whey is a great protein. It has many health benefits and contains some quality amino acids. However, soy is also a solid protein and if you don't want to eat whey, soy is fine. Whey also has its place. In a blend, it makes a lot of sense. Outside of a blend, it is such a fast digesting protein that most of it is probably burned for energy rather than used for any quality tissue growth.

Go with what you enjoy and what fits your budget.

I agree with Hort, whole foods are the best way, but if you are going to supplement, then I wouldn't sweat the supplement so much. From what I've found, arguments over BV and other values are more for the supplement companies to position themselves from a marketing standpoint than anything else. That is my opinion, but it is the opinion based on successfully achieving a physique I am very happy of without having to worry about whether I was taking whey or soy or anything else.

Here is an interesting article by Brian Haycock:

Exposing the Myths about Protein (http://www.naturalphysiques.com/news/VIi006vfsf.html#six)

Jeremy
Soy is an inferior supplement on many levels but if you can't do whey... hmmm I'd probably just opt for whole foods.

so acts as estrogen in a mans body, so id avoid it

go with egg protien if you cant have soy

You could try rice protein too. Ive been using it for a while and Im happy with it.
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Thanks Jeremy. Great post. How would you recommend using the various proteins? Currently I only use whey with dex as a PWO and rely on whole foods the rest of the time. But I'm considering soy or casein. Would soy be a good protein to eat before bed? Or casein? or just whole foods? In terms of the dairy issue, what do you think of these three proteins? I'm trying to cut out dairy, which I know you advocate. Is whey still ok with dex as a PWO and casein before bed? thanks

The notion of better or worse is really a moot point. It makes since if you are competing in a bodybuilding show and have to work on that extra tiny little ounce of muscle to get an edge over your competition, and it makes sense to consider if you are eating NOTHING but soy or whey or whatever.

Most people, however, are focused on general health, gaining muscle, losing fat, etc. For this purpose, soy is fine - it's no better or worse than whey or any other protein. You get protein from a variety of sources throughout the day, and the body draws from all of those sources. It doesn't suddenly stop building muscle or recovering simply because one given source isn't scoring high on a protein availability test, etc.

Whey is a great protein. It has many health benefits and contains some quality amino acids. However, soy is also a solid protein and if you don't want to eat whey, soy is fine. Whey also has its place. In a blend, it makes a lot of sense. Outside of a blend, it is such a fast digesting protein that most of it is probably burned for energy rather than used for any quality tissue growth.

Go with what you enjoy and what fits your budget.

I agree with Hort, whole foods are the best way, but if you are going to supplement, then I wouldn't sweat the supplement so much. From what I've found, arguments over BV and other values are more for the supplement companies to position themselves from a marketing standpoint than anything else. That is my opinion, but it is the opinion based on successfully achieving a physique I am very happy of without having to worry about whether I was taking whey or soy or anything else.

Here is an interesting article by Brian Haycock:

Exposing the Myths about Protein (http://www.naturalphysiques.com/news/VIi006vfsf.html#six)

Jeremy

A few things.

The soy estrogen connection is something people talk a lot about, without actually showing much evidence. There are studies that show this activity from isolated soy isoflavones, but none that I am familiar with using straight soy. Personally, even if it did create estrogen, then I'm a fan of it because I enjoy my good health and physique, and I eat a LOT of soy.

As for using the proteins, I think whole food are always best, supplements are useful if you are trying to inflate your intake beyond what you are able to take on with whole foods or for convenience (i.e. on the run, etc.). Really soy or any other would be fine before bed, research has shown time and time again that it is more important what proteins you get throughout the day than any specific meal.

As for dairy, I don't advocate cutting dairy, I advocate taking a test to see how your body responds to dairy, and then cutting if you find you are adversely effected. Most people I know find they were adversely effected, so they cut it out. Some people are fine and therefore should have no issue with it.

Hope that helps!

Jeremy

Thanks Jeremy. Great post. How would you recommend using the various proteins? Currently I only use whey with dex as a PWO and rely on whole foods the rest of the time. But I'm considering soy or casein. Would soy be a good protein to eat before bed? Or casein? or just whole foods? In terms of the dairy issue, what do you think of these three proteins? I'm trying to cut out dairy, which I know you advocate. Is whey still ok with dex as a PWO and casein before bed? thanks

Thanks. It did help. I meant that I'm going to cut dairy for a month and see if I notice positive changes. I'm doing this at the same time as cutting, so I guess the real test will be when I reintroduce dairy in a months time and discover that I fell worse and/or am experiencing bloat. I will eat soy or some other slow-release protein before bed. Just not cottage cheese or a dairy one for the time being. Just one more question-during this break from dairy, should I also stop using whey protein post-workout? Or does this not matter?

A few things.

The soy estrogen connection is something people talk a lot about, without actually showing much evidence. There are studies that show this activity from isolated soy isoflavones, but none that I am familiar with using straight soy. Personally, even if it did create estrogen, then I'm a fan of it because I enjoy my good health and physique, and I eat a LOT of soy.

As for using the proteins, I think whole food are always best, supplements are useful if you are trying to inflate your intake beyond what you are able to take on with whole foods or for convenience (i.e. on the run, etc.). Really soy or any other would be fine before bed, research has shown time and time again that it is more important what proteins you get throughout the day than any specific meal.

As for dairy, I don't advocate cutting dairy, I advocate taking a test to see how your body responds to dairy, and then cutting if you find you are adversely effected. Most people I know find they were adversely effected, so they cut it out. Some people are fine and therefore should have no issue with it.

Hope that helps!

Jeremy