View Full Version : Theories of fat loss from ANOTHER board...


Stecman
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 03:16 PM
So, my wife is a member of a 'pregnancy forum' (we just had our baby Dec 1, and they were talking about Fat Loss and someone wrote an interesting post. You can find it here. (http://www.pregnancyqa.com/viewtopic.php?t=6132&start=0)

Anyways, I thought it would be fun if you guys went through like a true/false quiz and gave you're thoughts on her theories...

So. 16 Question True or False? Some are obvious, but some I am sure will spur some great discussions...

1. In order to drop the weight follow a mixture low-carb and low-fat diets.

2. We counted calories down to the very last one, but an easy way to do it is to stay away from red meat, butter, oil, and desserts completely and to limit intake on pasta, rice, bread, and cheese.

3. Its also VERY important to drink lots of water. At least 8 8 oz glasses a day.

4. Also, stay away from soda, juice, and sports drinks - tons of sugar! Also limit alcohol consumption - alcohol calories go straight to your belly, thus "beer belly."

5. And no caffeine - it impairs your body's ability to burn fat.

6. Always take a multi-vitamin and a calcium supplement.

7. Calcium helps your body burn fat, but requires vitamin D to be properly absorbed by your body.

8. While you're on the diet, you need to exercise about 3 times a day.

9. Basically, you need to find out your target heart rate using one of those calculators and keep it there for 30 mins. This will keep your body's metabolism high enough so that it doesn't get used to the lower calorie intake.

10. You'll wanna do weight lifting, but small weights and many repetitions! This ensures that you'll continue burning fat and toning muscle without bulking up.

11. The most important thing is to not exerise biceps and triceps on the same day, as this can cause injury.

12. And abs everyday.

13. One important thing to remember is that ab exercises don't burn fat NEARLY as effectively as dieting.

14. a change it diet is essential, especially for losing weight around the belly.

15. But the most important part of this plan is cheating! You must cheat on the diet once a week! This not only keeps up your morale and keeps you from burning out quickly,

16. Cheating fools your body into not getting used to the low calorie intake.

jsbrook
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 03:28 PM
So, my wife is a member of a 'pregnancy forum' (we just had our baby Dec 1, and they were talking about Fat Loss and someone wrote an interesting post. You can find it here. (http://www.pregnancyqa.com/viewtopic.php?t=6132&start=0)

Anyways, I thought it would be fun if you guys went through like a true/false quiz and gave you're thoughts on her theories...

So. 16 Question True or False? Some are obvious, but some I am sure will spur some great discussions...

1. In order to drop the weight follow a mixture low-carb and low-fat diets.

-don't know exactly what she means

2. We counted calories down to the very last one, but an easy way to do it is to stay away from red meat, butter, oil, and desserts completely and to limit intake on pasta, rice, bread, and cheese.

-the idea behind it is good. though red meat/cheese and whole grain pasta, bread, and rice can have their place

3. Its also VERY important to drink lots of water. At least 8 8 oz glasses a day.

-true

4. Also, stay away from soda, juice, and sports drinks - tons of sugar! Also limit alcohol consumption - alcohol calories go straight to your belly, thus "beer belly."

- good advice for the most part

5. And no caffeine - it impairs your body's ability to burn fat.

-don't agree

6. Always take a multi-vitamin and a calcium supplement.

-yes, multi. maybe, calcium

7. Calcium helps your body burn fat, but requires vitamin D to be properly absorbed by your body.

-yeah

8. While you're on the diet, you need to exercise about 3 times a day.

-NO

9. Basically, you need to find out your target heart rate using one of those calculators and keep it there for 30 mins. This will keep your body's metabolism high enough so that it doesn't get used to the lower calorie intake.

-not really

10. You'll wanna do weight lifting, but small weights and many repetitions! This ensures that you'll continue burning fat and toning muscle without bulking up.

-No, despite the impressive results of many women on this site, many women can lift heavier weights and be better off for it without bulking upl

11. The most important thing is to not exerise biceps and triceps on the same day, as this can cause injury.

-NO

12. And abs everyday.

-NO-2-3 times per week intensly

13. One important thing to remember is that ab exercises don't burn fat NEARLY as effectively as dieting.

-true. don't really burn fat at all-definitely don't target belly fat

14. a change it diet is essential, especially for losing weight around the belly.

-a good diet is essential

15. But the most important part of this plan is cheating! You must cheat on the diet once a week! This not only keeps up your morale and keeps you from burning out quickly,


-I agree with this

16. Cheating fools your body into not getting used to the low calorie intake.

-possibly. many support this theory.

thanks for this post. another way to help procrastinate studying for this midterm. haha

JeremyLikness
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 03:39 PM
1. In order to drop the weight follow a mixture low-carb and low-fat diets.

Actually, simply reduce calories coming in and increase calories expended. It doesn't matter low carb, low fat, or low anything else - all work, calories is the key.

2. We counted calories down to the very last one, but an easy way to do it is to stay away from red meat, butter, oil, and desserts completely and to limit intake on pasta, rice, bread, and cheese.

Red meat is a great source of iron, but does come with saturated fats and can be higher in calories. I'd say keep red meat within calorie targets. Butters and oils are fantastic for fat loss, especially healthy fats. Too many women and men eliminate fats and then wonder why their fat loss stalls or they have incredible cravings. Butters and oils contribute healthy nutrients and can help you feel full and satisfied.

3. Its also VERY important to drink lots of water. At least 8 8 oz glasses a day.

Yup. Your body needs water as a buffer for the reactions that burn fat and flush toxins.

4. Also, stay away from soda, juice, and sports drinks - tons of sugar! Also limit alcohol consumption - alcohol calories go straight to your belly, thus "beer belly."

Yeah, drinking your calories makes it hard to lose weight. It's not that these prevent fat loss, but it makes it easy to overshoot your calories without feeling full or satisfied. Alcohol has a tremendous impact on burning fat.

5. And no caffeine - it impairs your body's ability to burn fat.

Actually, the research suggests it improves the body's ability to burn fat.

6. Always take a multi-vitamin and a calcium supplement.

I agree. But don't settle for the cheap grocery brand - get a quality, pharmaceutical grade one so that you know what is on the label is actually in the bottle.

7. Calcium helps your body burn fat, but requires vitamin D to be properly absorbed by your body.

It requires more than Vitamin D. It requires magnesium and a host of other cofactors.

8. While you're on the diet, you need to exercise about 3 times a day

Darnit .. it's a diet? So in other words, we're going to do it, stop, and gain our weight back? I'm really not liking that. "While you're on the diet" - this makes all of the other points moot, because it is a recipe for failure. The people who succeed don't diet, they change their lifestyle.

3 times a day exercise? I know bodybuilders who don't exercise that much ... maybe a typo that should read, 3 times per week? That would make more since, as 3 - 5 times is recommended.

9. Basically, you need to find out your target heart rate using one of those calculators and keep it there for 30 mins. This will keep your body's metabolism high enough so that it doesn't get used to the lower calorie intake.

Um, it has nothing to do with the body getting used to anything. Heart rate is great to determine exertion but the exercise contributes to burned calories and helps the body better utilize sugars/carbohydrates in the diet, but doesn't prevent the metabolism from adjusting to lower calories

10. You'll wanna do weight lifting, but small weights and many repetitions! This ensures that you'll continue burning fat and toning muscle without bulking up.

This is a complete and utter myth. Too many people fall for this. You burn far more calories and burn fat more fat by training intensely with weights, not wasting your time with high repetitions. "Without bulking up?" Please show me who bulks up when they are dropping weight. It's a contradiction.

11. The most important thing is to not exerise biceps and triceps on the same day, as this can cause injury.

Where in the world this BS came from, I have no idea.

12. And abs everyday.

Why? I always trained my abs either zero (they get plenty of indirect work doing weight training), 1, or 2 times per week. Every day? Hmmm I guess if you get bored easily and need something to pass the time.

13. One important thing to remember is that ab exercises don't burn fat NEARLY as effectively as dieting.

Actually, both restricting calories and training burn calories. A better quote would be, "Abs don't burn as many calories as other forms of exercise, and aren't going to show your stomach - it's the nutrition and training that will reduce body fat to reveal the abs in time."

14. a change it diet is essential, especially for losing weight around the belly.

A change from what? What if you are already eating healthy?

15. But the most important part of this plan is cheating! You must cheat on the diet once a week! This not only keeps up your morale and keeps you from burning out quickly,

Yes, cheating is definitely a good psychological crutch to keep people going, one that I use myself (just had pizza and ice cream last night, in fact)

16. Cheating fools your body into not getting used to the low calorie intake.

This is another myth that is used for people who get guilty about cheat meals to try and justify it to themselves. Cheat meals are psychological, period and point blank. One meal is NOT going to keep your body from slowing down from a low calorie intake. The body physically doesn't respond that quickly. If you truly want to avoid metabolic slow down, you need to raise calories from CLEAN foods for at least several days, I usually recommend a full week. One meal doesn't do it. But, for some people, it's the only way they can justify it to themselves so they don't feel guilty, so, hey, if it keeps them going, I say let them have that little fantasy of "my cheat meal is keeping my body from slowing down."

-J

karatetricker
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Jeremy broke it down quite thoroughly. I will just say from reading over that list that at least 65% of it is pretty inaccurate.

JeremyLikness
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 04:55 PM
That's the problem sometimes. People become "experts" based on what they think worked for them (often, they add so many variables that they have no clue what was really the determining factor), and then they do some Google searches or read some articles published by supplement manaufacturers and are ready to take on the title of guru.

Believe me, I know. I had an ego when I first dropped my weight and felt because I lost it, I was instantly qualified to help other people as well. I quickly learned what I thought I "knew" I really didn't ... just because it worked for me didn't necessarily mean it happened the same way for others. That's when I decided to focus on a more formal education and began taking on certifications, going to seminars and lectures, reading books, researching, experimenting, etc.

The Internet makes it possible for information to travel with lightning speed ... often the wrong information.

Jeremy

P.S. Understand when I post and share my thoughts, they are just that - my opinion. I feel confident and comfortable with what I share because it is this philosophy that has served my clients for years now, but I am always learning new things and finding out what I thought was true may not be, etcetera. So I always encourage people to try for themselves, and not just base everything on what someone says should happen - instead, try it for yourself and see what does happen.

Jeremy broke it down quite thoroughly. I will just say from reading over that list that at least 65% of it is pretty inaccurate.

dso
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Good post, Jeremy. Thanks for breaking it down like that.

DcK
Sat, February 19th, 2005, 06:25 PM
Thanks Jeremy. :tu: