Hey people i have another question I cant do cardio in the morning because i have school at 8 and the gym i go to takes 20 mon to get to by car. So if I lift 3 days and do cardio 3 days (after school) will i still see results?I can only can do morning cardio sat and sunday 2 out of 3 days im doing cardio in the morning. I am eating right. Trying to cut the fat by the summer. Thank you :)

Will you see the results you want? It depends.

Be a lot more specific. Nobody can tell you much about your situation without a lot more information than these three lines.

How old are you? How tall are you? How much do you weigh? How much of that is body fat? How long have you been training? Have you lost any weight before? How much body fat are you trying to get rid of, and by when? How long are these cardio sessions? What are your lifting programs like?

What do you eat, and how much of it do you eat? (that's the most important one)

Do you have any sort of specific plan or goal? More than any one specific part of your whole fitness lifestyle, a specific plan or goal is going to help you produce results.

Also, starting your journey with an "I can't do this, is that okay?" vibe might not be a great idea. We're not your parents, we're not here to give or deny you permission.

Also, if you don't have a plan yet, it's kind of foolish to already be eliminating parts of it. You have no idea yet whether or not they'll be important.

Fasted morning cardio is ideal, but doing cardio is good for you, period.

And as long as you work in the target heart rate range, cardio is the one thing you can do knowing that you will be leaner at the end of the session... even if it does not show on a daily basis because it's a small improvement each time. You will see the difference in the long run.

3 days after school and 2 morning sessions at the week-end means 5 cardio sessions a week. You will get results. Of course, it's important that your nutrition does not counter these results but you say you eat clean... I'll assume you know what you're doing.

I also assume that your cardio sessions are at least 30mns each time as it takes a bit of time for the body to switch to fat burning mode.

By the way... the reason why morning cardio is great is because you are in a fasted state. So for your evening sessions, do not overeat at the previous meal and if there is about three hours between your previous meal and the cardio exercise, you will be in an adequate state.

And also, do not eat for 30mns after your cardio to extend its metabolic benefit.

That should work nicely.

If not, you'll have to wake up at 5.30 and that will leave plenty of time.

Just joking... ;)

Although some people do just that (I'm not speaking for myself here, I'm lucky with regards to time).

Vincent.

you can't go for a jog outside? i live downtown milwaukee, i dont have a gym, and im $60K in debt. all i have is a heart rate monitor and a pair of running shoes.

strap the hr monitor on, run for 45-50 minutes at 70% of your max heart rate (keep your hr between 150 and 160). Trust me, you dont have to run very fast to keep your heart here. theres no excuse that you can't do this.

:gl:

PM me if you need more info, but this should basically end the thread.

The heart rate monitor i have is Polar (brand) - has something that straps around under my chest that sends signals to a watch. (34$ package). also comes in Reebok

My running shoes are Asics GT2090 (GREAT SHOE once you get passed the initial inner side blister on your right foot)


Hey people i have another question I cant do cardio in the morning because i have school at 8 and the gym i go to takes 20 mon to get to by car. So if I lift 3 days and do cardio 3 days (after school) will i still see results?I can only can do morning cardio sat and sunday 2 out of 3 days im doing cardio in the morning. I am eating right. Trying to cut the fat by the summer. Thank you :)

EDIT: I have class every morning at 8am - and it's a 35 minute drive in traffic. I am up everymorning at 6am to run 5 miles. (i run at whatever pace my heart rate tells me to run). It's also a bad neighborhood.

Hey people i have another question I cant do cardio in the morning because i have school at 8 and the gym i go to takes 20 mon to get to by car. So if I lift 3 days and do cardio 3 days (after school) will i still see results?I can only can do morning cardio sat and sunday 2 out of 3 days im doing cardio in the morning. I am eating right. Trying to cut the fat by the summer. Thank you :)


do a search on cardio (on this site) you will be amazed how many times this question comes up (or some variant of the question), it is highly debated... honestly... do your cardio when you can, just make sure you do it and you'll be fine as long as your diet supports it ;)

I think the whole "fasted cardio" issue is so debated because diet is so much more important than both lifting and cardio. The only reason i do fasted running is because its the only time i have time, and im a believer that it actually DOES use stored fat as fuel vs. food still being digested.

plus - i want to make sure my muscles are getting a fair shot at all the food i eat - i dont want my cardio stealing my food!

I'll believe anything Anthony Ellis or SwoleCat have say, even if it includes buying ocean-front property in Nevada... and they both say it needs to be fasted for it to have the effect you want it. (to lose fat)

I think the whole "fasted cardio" issue is so debated because diet is so much more important than both lifting and cardio. The only reason i do fasted running is because its the only time i have time, and im a believer that it actually DOES use stored fat as fuel vs. food still being digested.

plus - i want to make sure my muscles are getting a fair shot at all the food i eat - i dont want my cardio stealing my food!

I'll believe anything Anthony Ellis or SwoleCat have say, even if it includes buying ocean-front property in Nevada... and they both say it needs to be fasted for it to have the effect you want it. (to lose fat)

actually... acording to my trainer... you don't actually lose ANY fat DURING cardio.... his explaination was basically that by doing cardio you are increasing your metabolic rate and that will last all day.. so you will burn fat all day(as long as you are eating a clean diet), by providing your muscles protien before your cardio you are helping to prevent muscle loss (I am doing HIIT right now, so it is important for me to fuel my muscles). I would not suggest eating any carbs before cardio in the morning, only protien ;)

It's funny how a simple question with a simple answer gets so many new questions added to it.


If you do cardio, non-fasted, as long as you are eating properly, you will see results.

It's funny how a simple question with a simple answer gets so many new questions added to it.


If you do cardio, non-fasted, as long as you are eating properly, you will see results.

Thats exactly what i said - i just like to expand into unnessesary information so that my time goes by faster at work.

It's funny how a simple question with a simple answer gets so many new questions added to it.


If you do cardio, non-fasted, as long as you are eating properly, you will see results.

Agree!!! :cool: Just do you're cardio whenever you can, eat right and reap the result, period!

Fasted or non-fasted... I did not even know it was controversial until I saw another topic about it tonight.

Well, I also take into account what whOareume posted, indeed if SwoleCat supports fasted cardio, and given that I have seen his pictures, it reinforces my belief.

But originally for me that's a notion that I learned from Tom Venuto in "Burn the fat, feed the muscle".

Check his gallery at www.fitren.com, his looks are his best credentials, along with the testimonials of his BFFM trainees. Someone who displays himself at 3.5% body fat has to know what he's talking about.

As for direct personal experience, well five months ago I was borderline obese. I am nowhere near SwoleCat or Tom Venuto, but note that my avatar is me. And you can clearly see that I am not obese. I went down 28lbs in five months and put on some muscle, so I must have burned between 30/32lbs of fat. My bf% was well over 25% based on my measurements taken after I started and is now in the low double digits (12/13%) according to my online coaches at GHF (the calipers tell me 11.5% but I also think I don't look quite that lean).

Fasted morning cardio played a part for me so I endorse it.

However, I still say: cardio is good, period. So do it whenever you can. Doing it is the most important part, not when or how.

I also believe that nutrition is even more important but ideally both should go hand in hand.

Perhaps I'm wrong on all counts, I can only go by what has worked for me and I have a huge amount of trust in Tom Venuto's knowledge, and my GHF coaches.

But it doesn't really matter. Just DO IT!!! :)

Vincent.

But originally for me that's a notion that I learned from Tom Venuto in "Burn the fat, feed the muscle".

Check his gallery at www.fitren.com, his looks are his best credentials, along with the testimonials of his BFFM trainees. Someone who displays himself at 3.5% body fat has to know what he's talking about.

Tom Venuto is a very knowlegeable man. I certainly take everything he has to say and try to apply it where I can. I know he is a big preacher of fasted cardio. (Not low-intensity however like 97% of this forum.) I too agree that fasted cardio is the optimal way, but it is not the only way. The original question was merely if results can be seen with non-fasted cardio, and of course, the answer is yes.



But it doesn't really matter. Just DO IT!!! :)

And that's the bottom line. :tu:

Gee I do fasted cardio because all that food jostling around in my stomach make me feel sick.

Gee I do fasted cardio because all that food jostling around in my stomach make me feel sick.

Who said you have to do cardio immediately after eating? :confused:

Who said you have to do cardio immediately after eating? :confused:

that.. and you shouldn't be eating much anyway... my protien powder, water and L-carnatine hasn't made me sick to my stomach yet... and I'm doing HIIT about 20 minutes or so after drinking my protien.. just sayin' ;)

In order for me to have my protein powder and banana (my first meal) 20 minutes before I go running (my choice of cardio) I'd have to get up at 4:30 am. Thats not happening. (On the other hand maybe there isn't much difference between 4:30 and 4:50) Hmmmmm. I'll think about it.

Thanks alot people. :tu: :cool:

In order for me to have my protein powder and banana (my first meal) 20 minutes before I go running (my choice of cardio) I'd have to get up at 4:30 am. Thats not happening. (On the other hand maybe there isn't much difference between 4:30 and 4:50) Hmmmmm. I'll think about it.


skip the banana... my protien ONLY shake in the morning is just so my muscles have protien to sustain them... I do not count the shake as my first meal.. I do count it in my macro's and calories for the day, but it isn't my first full meal... I drink my shake, go to the gym, do my HIIT, get ready for work and have my first 'meal' about one hour after I finish my HIIT session

In order for me to have my protein powder and banana (my first meal) 20 minutes before I go running (my choice of cardio) I'd have to get up at 4:30 am. Thats not happening. (On the other hand maybe there isn't much difference between 4:30 and 4:50) Hmmmmm. I'll think about it.

If I were doing cardio right when I got up, I personally wouldn't eat either. I am talking about for people who do it later in the day, there is no need to eat right before doing cardio (or lifting for that matter).

heyy sorry to add onto this but as i was reading some questions came to mind....

now okay i hear some ppl say "run at ur target heart rate and that will burn fat" etc... but then i hear ppl doing HIIT for like 20 min and well thats much harder cardio and it will def. raise ur heart rate past ur target heart rate (isnt this for "endurance" then?)....if u do HIIT which is making ur heart rate go up like crazy, does that burn MORE or LESS fat than doing it for 45min in ur target heart rate zone? does that make sense...?

andd another question sorry...

i just read on this thread that ur not supposed to EAT after a cardio work out until 30 min after because that way ur maximizing ur metabolism or something? is that true? cuz i usually treat cardio like a weight resistance work out and i eat a ton of protein (75g) right after im done doin HIIT...is that good or should i wait 30 min after to eat?

thanks for your help guys

andd another question sorry...

i just read on this thread that ur not supposed to EAT after a cardio work out until 30 min after because that way ur maximizing ur metabolism or something? is that true? cuz i usually treat cardio like a weight resistance work out and i eat a ton of protein (75g) right after im done doin HIIT...is that good or should i wait 30 min after to eat?

thanks for your help guys

Well I posted that in my first reply, but it's something I read here. It seemed to make sense to me, but if the metabolism is raised all through the day... I don't know. I'll go back to BFFM to check that and if need be I'll ask Tom.

But perhaps that's also controversial.

Vincent.

i just read on this thread that ur not supposed to EAT after a cardio work out until 30 min after because that way ur maximizing ur metabolism or something? is that true? cuz i usually treat cardio like a weight resistance work out and i eat a ton of protein (75g) right after im done doin HIIT...is that good or should i wait 30 min after to eat?

thanks for your help guys

I believe I've read that similar thing, I think it's based on the program of Body For Life, after cardio or weight training session, you shouldn't eat 30 minutes later to maximize fat burning effect. But then, there's another research that says, you need to refuel directly after a heavy weight training in order to feed you muscles with nutrients. And I think both of them makes sense, so I think it depends on your goal, if your cutting, try not eating. But if you're bulking, then you definitely want to eat...

I believe I've read that similar thing, I think it's based on the program of Body For Life, after cardio or weight training session, you shouldn't eat 30 minutes later to maximize fat burning effect. But then, there's another research that says, you need to refuel directly after a heavy weight training in order to feed you muscles with nutrients. And I think both of them makes sense, so I think it depends on your goal, if your cutting, try not eating. But if you're bulking, then you definitely want to eat...


my understanding of it is...

cardio - wait half an hour to an hour before eating anything after cardio
weights - drink a PWO shake immediately after weight training

"IF YOU ARE HAVING A PROTEIN/FAT MEAL, YOU CAN LITERALLY EAT RIGHT AFTER BEING THAT THIS WILL NOT HAVE AN AFFECT ON INSULIN LEVELS, AND LIPOLYSIS CAN CONTINUE FOR 35-45 MINS POST-CARDIO. (AS IT DOES WHEN YOU "RIDE THAT WAVE" OF LIPOLYSIS) NOW, IF YOU ARE EATING A CARB/PRO OFFERING, YOU MAY WISH TO WAIT 1/2 HOUR OR SO BEFORE EATING THIS, TO RIDE THAT WAVE AND NOT ELEVATE INSULIN, BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO, FAT BURNING IS STOPPED IN IT'S TRACKS." ~swolecat

See this thread:

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?p=115220#post115220



my understanding of it is...

cardio - wait half an hour to an hour before eating anything after cardio
weights - drink a PWO shake immediately after weight training

I'm not a fan of fasted cardio at all. I don't think it's good for how you feel, enjoying your workout, muscle retention, and hence ultimately fat loss. Ultimately if you're at the same calorie deficit (for the day/week), you should be burning fat whether you have food in you when you do the cardio or not. This thread makes me reconsider the whole target heart rate issues. Maybe this is why people don't advocate high intensity cardio. When not in a fasted state, the body should have plenty of glycogen to use so that it doesn't need to break down muscle. But in a fasted state, I can see how the body would break down muscle tissue if working intensly. I really don't know it wouldn't do this to some degree (in addition to fat burning) even if not working very intensely. I also don't see how cardio could steal food that the body would use for muscle growth. Wouldn't SOME of this food be used to fuel the workout as well as burning fat and stored glycogen (from having food in the system). This way it wouldn't have to use muscle for energy for the workout. Having said this, it is hard to argue with results, which Anthony Ellis and SwoleCAt have both certainly gotten. I wonder if they tried both kinds of cardio or just adopted fasted cardio as a matter of course. If you guys are reading this, have you done both kinds of cardio and has fasted cardio worked better for you as a practical matter? thanks,

Justin

I think the whole "fasted cardio" issue is so debated because diet is so much more important than both lifting and cardio. The only reason i do fasted running is because its the only time i have time, and im a believer that it actually DOES use stored fat as fuel vs. food still being digested.

plus - i want to make sure my muscles are getting a fair shot at all the food i eat - i dont want my cardio stealing my food!

I'll believe anything Anthony Ellis or SwoleCat have say, even if it includes buying ocean-front property in Nevada... and they both say it needs to be fasted for it to have the effect you want it. (to lose fat)

Of course you're right. So I guess I'm done on this post for my part. Cardio works and is important, period, whatever kind. I would suppose that an answer is for anyone trying to get down to a very low body fat who has stalled would be to switch up whatever cardio they're doing. Otherwise it's all academic; all cardio both burns calories and boosts the metabolism some. You do it with the right diet and lifting program, you lose fat.

I too agree that fasted cardio is the optimal way, but it is not the only way. The original question was merely if results can be seen with non-fasted cardio, and of course, the answer is yes.




And that's the bottom line. :tu:

heyy sorry to add onto this but as i was reading some questions came to mind....

now okay i hear some ppl say "run at ur target heart rate and that will burn fat" etc... but then i hear ppl doing HIIT for like 20 min and well thats much harder cardio and it will def. raise ur heart rate past ur target heart rate (isnt this for "endurance" then?)....if u do HIIT which is making ur heart rate go up like crazy, does that burn MORE or LESS fat than doing it for 45min in ur target heart rate zone? does that make sense...?

andd another question sorry...

i just read on this thread that ur not supposed to EAT after a cardio work out until 30 min after because that way ur maximizing ur metabolism or something? is that true? cuz i usually treat cardio like a weight resistance work out and i eat a ton of protein (75g) right after im done doin HIIT...is that good or should i wait 30 min after to eat?

thanks for your help guys

The issue of eating just after cardio or not is not resolved. I got into the habit of waiting 30mns following my reading posts on this board and even repeated this information because it seemed to make sense. But now I don't know anymore. I regret mentioning it!

I have asked my GHF coaches for their opinion but even then, it's another opinion... not everyone will agree.

Vincent.

That's right. There are no hard and fast answers on this. Bottom line, cardio (followed by a meal or waitingfor a time) (low or high intensity) (faster or nonfasted) promotes fat loss. However you choose to do it SKinnyFat, it will be beneficial to you. As to which of these methods are more effective, I think it only matters when trying to go to very low body fat levels. Otherwise any of them will be good for you. Experiment-see which you feel best on and which fits best into your workout routine, lifestyle, and schedule.

The issue of eating just after cardio or not is not resolved. I got into the habit of waiting 30mns following my reading posts on this board and even repeated this information because it seemed to make sense. But now I don't know anymore. I regret mentioning it!

I have asked my GHF coaches for their opinion but even then, it's another opinion... not everyone will agree.

Vincent.

thanks for the help guys...my schedule is crazy right now with midterms chem labs and tests left and right (im in college) so im getting in only two cardio workouts in a week....my schedule allows me to only work out on thursdays, fridays, if im lucky then saturdays, and sundays....i lift for strength, i eat really clean and as if im bulking, but i want more muscle and less fat (which in my experience if u have a lot of muscle, even tho they say muscle burns fat cuz fat is stored within the muscle but then at the gym u see all these big guys who have a lot of muscle also have a lot of fat on them - this leads me to believe that they're prolly not eating too clean or just not doin any cardio cuz if only muscle could get rid of fat...i think theyd be pretty cut heh)

basically im eating as much as i can very clean as if im bulking (im also a vegetarian so its mainly fat free cottage cheese and natty pb and egg whites and kashi good friends and veggies and muscle milk and isopure) however, i do cardio first thing when i wake up from now on...i can get in at least 2 maybe 3 sessions a week followed by a weight lifting session in the evening....that way i believe ill burn fat and build muscle and as soon as i get ripped-er i shall do less cardio and just do a clean bulk only.....any thoughts?? any comments or suggestions would be greaaaaaatly appreciated thanks!! :tu:

ohh yah last summer my bf was 11.9% as my pers. train. checked it and i havent checked it since..im 19 and around 145lb. i have stubborn fat around my midsection but can see my abs...i have "fat abs" basically (when i flex i can see them, when i dont flex its like i have a gut its sooooooo wierd) and annoying little love handles that im trying to get rid of...im muscular from middle up...thats a good idea of what my physique is like...i was just wondering if anyone could tell me how long it would take to get rid of it? ballpark range? ive been working out like this for about a month and a half. Thanks again! :)

skiNNY faT,

Eating "as much as you possibly can," even if the foods are clean, isn't going to result in fat loss. You should decide on a goal of bulking or losing fat--trying to do both at the same time is a slippery slope that will likely leave you dissatisfied with the results. Personally, I'd recommend shedding the fat first, then bulking. I've heard that the ratio of muscle to fat gained while bulking from a starting point of, say 8%, as opposed to starting off at 12% body fat, is greater.

Also, I noticed in your other post you mentioned that you consume a lot of protein after your HIIT sessions. These should be treated like weight-lifting sessions, i.e.--it's more important to consume carbs than protein at this time.

Well, the GHF fat loss expert told me:

"I'm inclined to say that the need for post workout replenishment supersedes any possible benefit in terms of additional fat loss you might get from delaying your post cardio meal."

He added some qualifications: the burning of fat after cardio is minimal "unless you do HIIT" and his final word is (not literally): "Try both and measure bf%, lean body mass and see what works for you".

Also, it's probably better to eat straightaway "especially after fasted am cardio".

Now, I think I'm not going to post about this again because there will always be differing points of view. But I'm going to eat straight after my cardio because 30mns is a long time when I am hungry after cardio and after all, hunger is my body telling me something.

And unless I suddenly get fat or hit a plateau, that suits me fine.

Vincent.

Also, I noticed in your other post you mentioned that you consume a lot of protein after your HIIT sessions. These should be treated like weight-lifting sessions, i.e.--it's more important to consume carbs than protein at this time.


Thanks speed trials, ill cut down on the amount i eat from now on. I kinda am not getting one thing tho...are u saying that its "more important to consume carbs than protein..." after a weight training session??? cuz thats...thats news to me i thought protein was a must so ill take 3 scoops (75g) of isopure after i lift....or were u just quoting what i said...? should i consume carbs AND protein or just carbs after an HIIT session? whats a good carb to take after cardio? can i take Muscle Milk instead (its high in calories at least and is a slow digesting protein)? sorry for so many questions...i just wanna make sure i get it right. Thanks again!

But I'm going to eat straight after my cardio because 30mns is a long time when I am hungry after cardio and after all, hunger is my body telling me something.And unless I suddenly get fat or hit a plateau, that suits me fine.
Vincent.

I agree vinvent, i eat right after my fasted cardio...well maybe like 15 min because i still have to cook it, but i feel the same way, hungry, and i want food, so i'll give my body what it need after a workout.