Please join me in welcoming our newest sponsor, AtLarge Nutrition (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/)!

I'm a huge fan of AtLarge's ETS supplement (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php/products_id/5). My full review can be found in my January 31, 2005 Daily News Update (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/jan_2005_news_archive.php#01312005).

We are very excited to be here!

I have had a chance to look over this site and find it to be very well run.

Our dealings with John have been top-notch and we look forward to being sponsors for some time to come.

I will make an effort to frequent these forums and will be available to answer any questions concerning our products.

In addition, I have been training for 17+ years and am a drug-free trainee. I have a wealth of training knowledge which I would be happy to share with anyone interested in my thoughts.

Our company sponsors some of the strongest athletes in the world (Phil Harrington recently set the all-time squat record in the 181 lb class with 855 lbs!) and I have access to their training knowledge as well.

I have ordered from Chris and AtLarge. I have found all of their products (especially the Nitrean) to be of high quality and their customer service is excellent. If you order from ALN, you will not regret your purchase.

Chris

any problems shipping to Canada?One of the other sponsors won't and hope you don't have the same silly policy :spaz:

Thank you very much Hobbes!

Welcome Chris! Good to have you.

Wow, Phil Harrington and Brad Cardoza, very cool!

Chris

any problems shipping to Canada?One of the other sponsors won't and hope you don't have the same silly policy :spaz:

I believe that ALN ships to Canada using USPS Air Parcel and the customer is rsponsible for any additional sales tax or fees incurred when shipping. Having said that, I doubt you'll run into any extra fees. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that the possibility exists.

Don't mean to be cynical here, but isn't John's glowing review of EST just a little much? He says it dramatically reduces delayed onset muscle soreness, gets rid of common joint aches and stiffness, increases testosterone production, and practically ensures a great night's sleep. In other words, it does just about everything you could possibly want a supplement to do.

I'm always wary of any supplement that claims to do so much, and I've tried A LOT of them before realizing that none of them do. I've not tried EST, so I certainly can't say these claims are inflated in this case, but if they aren't it will be a first.

Don't mean to be cynical here, but isn't John's glowing review of EST just a little much? He says it dramatically reduces delayed onset muscle soreness, gets rid of common joint aches and stiffness, increases testosterone production, and practically ensures a great night's sleep. In other words, it does just about everything you could possibly want a supplement to do.

Great first post. :rolleyes:

First of all, I reported exactly what I experienced - nothing more. Do you know how many potential sponsors I turn down each month? A bunch. I'm not a "whore" and I stand behind everything I said in my review: ETS did dramatically reduce my DOMS. End of story. I never said it "gets rid of common joint aches and stiffness", I said I've noticed less stiffness and fewer aches and pains. That's 100% true. Also, ZMA is known to increase natural "T" production, so there's not much argument there. I also never claimed that ETS "practically ensures a great night sleep", I simply said that I've noticed an incredible difference, but this is NOT uncommon - many people who take ZMA before bed report the exact same thing.

It's not a miracle supplement, but it is a very good one and I'm glad I found it.

What John said.


We do ship to Canada and Hobbes was spot on.

Woah, I did not mean to come across nearly as negatively as I apparently did. I was not in any way suggesting that you were making up your experiences with this product. Or that you are "whoring" the product for the sake of the sponsorship. It's just that, especially when it comes to supplements, perception is not the same thing as reality. Since you haven't taken the product in any kind of a controlled scientific environment, there really is no way to conclusively attribute all those benefits to the ETS as opposed to any number of any other dietary,training or physiological causes. And I don't believe that the ZMA's ability to actually increase testosterone has ever been definitively proven.

The purpose of my message was not to criticize, insult or attack. Nor was it to discredit the product. Rather, it was to question and open up a discussion. As I said, I think making supplements sound like a panaceas is way to common in the world of bodybuilding and fitness. I'm just interested to hear what other people think and what their experiences have been. Who knows, maybe lots of others will respond with similar experiences to yours, John. If that turns out to be the case, it would certainly make the claims much less likely to be erroneously attributed benefits from unrelated sources.


Great first post. :rolleyes:

First of all, I reported exactly what I experienced - nothing more. Do you know how many potential sponsors I turn down each month? A bunch. I'm not a "whore" and I stand behind everything I said in my review: ETS did dramatically reduce my DOMS. End of story. I never said it "gets rid of common joint aches and stiffness", I said I've noticed less stiffness and fewer aches and pains. That's 100% true. Also, ZMA is known to increase natural "T" production, so there's not much argument there. I also never claimed that ETS "practically ensures a great night sleep", I simply said that I've noticed an incredible difference, but this is NOT uncommon - many people who take ZMA before bed report the exact same thing.

It's not a miracle supplement, but it is a very good one and I'm glad I found it.

The site indicated the product is in capsule form. Is the capsule made of gelatin? If so, can I just extract the powder and wash it down with water (it's what I do with my omega3 capsules). Had been thinkin about zma's, I'll go ahead and try this product. Thanks

The site indicated the product is in capsule form. Is the capsule made of gelatin? If so, can I just extract the powder and wash it down with water (it's what I do with my omega3 capsules). Had been thinkin about zma's, I'll go ahead and try this product. Thanks


Yes, you sure can. Please do give it a try and let everyone know what you think (as well as any of our other products).

The site's "supplement fact" link is broken, just incase you didn't know.

The site's "supplement fact" link is broken, just incase you didn't know.


I appreciate you mentioning it, but I don't see it. Which one is not working (there is one for each product)?

I also want to thank everyone who has welcomed myself and my company to the boards. I (we) really appreciate it!

Nvm, its workin now, thankx

This is so typical my bad luck... find something that would be nice to try, but I'm a swede living in Ireland.. and ALN doesnt really ship outside US/CAN...

Mason:
Any idea what the cost would be for a new years pack and a an extra ETS? approx... =)

/Patrick

This is so typical my bad luck... find something that would be nice to try, but I'm a swede living in Ireland.. and ALN doesnt really ship outside US/CAN...

Mason:
Any idea what the cost would be for a new years pack and a an extra ETS? approx... =)

/Patrick


The actual shipping cost with USPS Air Parcel would be just over $40. If you want to order I will charge you $30 shipping. You can PM me to handle this matter if you decide to do it.

Is a money back guarantee offered?

That is usually the best test of the effectiveness of any product. :cool:

Just curious...

Is a money back guarantee offered?

That is usually the best test of the effectiveness of any product. :cool:

Just curious...

We do not. Personally, I chose not to offer one because I think they are meaningless. How many crap products have "money back guarantees"?

In other words I feel that offering such guarantees are almost insulting because they really don't mean anything but sound nice. In the end, they are fluff much like the products which carry them.

We don't sell crap. EVERY SINGLE product we offer works as we claim. We will operate in no other manner.

I completely agree. The "Money Back Guarantee" is one of the biggest sham marketing ploys there is. The guarantor relies on the fact that once you factor in the initial nonrefundable shipping cost and the cost and hassle of shipping the product back, most people will never bother to call them on it. It's just a way of making the product maker/seller sound supremely confident of what they're selling without actually putting much of anything on the line.


We do not. Personally, I chose not to offer one because I think they are meaningless. How many crap products have "money back guarantees"?

In other words I feel that offering such guarantees are almost insulting because they really don't mean anything but sound nice. In the end, they are fluff much like the products which carry them.

We don't sell crap. EVERY SINGLE product we offer works as we claim. We will operate in no other manner.

I agree and disagree with the money back guarantee comments. :tu:

Well, as I have already mentioned, I have used ALN's products and I did not regret my purchase for a moment. The products and customer service were of the highest quality.

Thanks for the thread John.

Maffy, I hear you... Theres a lot of B.S in the supplement industry and it only stands to reason that when you hear that something might be as good as John suggests, alarm bells ring.

If you take a good read of our about page on www.atlargenutrition.com/about.php you will see our aim is to NOT fall into this breed of supplement companies.

Also, I can relate to John's comments about putting his whole weight behind advertisers. I also run a bodybuilding website and we get sponsors each month we have to turn away as myself and Chris simply do not agree with the types of products these guys offer. They range from plan crap, to things that myself and Chris just do not believe are effective enough to push to our visitors.

Theres only one way to find out and thats to give it a try :) I am sure you will not be dissapointed!

Thanks

Daniel

Welcome to the new sponsors. :tucool: Do you guys or anyone else have any links to peer-reviewed studies that show that the ETS supplement does in fact decrease DOMS, aid sleep, and increase testesterone, etc.? I'd like to check out the studies if you can point me to any. Thanks!

We are honest and that can be a fault sometimes in the supplement world :D .

Anyway, we were the first supplement company to discover the ergogenic properties of Microlactin (TM). Prior to our looking into it there was only one study done which was performed on runners. This study peaked my interest in it for weight trained athletes. The study is on Humanetics' website (the company which distibutes Microlactin TM in the states).

It has been around for several years but marketed as a joint supplement product.

Once we determined it had benefits for the weight trained athlete we played around with various vitamin and mineral additions in order to maximize the results. We feel our final formula has realized a truly unique and highly effective sports supplement (as do our customers :tu: ).

We tested the product prior to bringing it to market but our "study" was not done in a university setting and would not qualify as a valid scientific study (although we did our best to follow proper scientific protocol given the circumstances).

I can tell you from our study and empirical evidence that the product works exactly as advertised and that is all there is to it. Trust me when I say that other supplement companies will soon have VERY similar products on the market. Something this good will not remain a "secret" for long (good from the perspective of highly effective and extremely safe).

In my opinion, our product will help to fill the void created with the banning of pro-hormones.

Daniel,

Thanks for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was intended: not an attack, but just a learned-the-hard-way wariness of inflated supplement claims. Thanks, too, for your levelheaded response and participation in a forum like this. That, more than anything else, makes me inclined to believe that you guys are not like the all too prevalent snake oil salesmen in this industry. If nothing else, I"m convinced your intentions are honorable. As for the effectiveness of ETS, there's only one sure way to find out for myself: I ordered a bottle today.


Thanks for the thread John.

Maffy, I hear you... Theres a lot of B.S in the supplement industry and it only stands to reason that when you hear that something might be as good as John suggests, alarm bells ring.

If you take a good read of our about page on www.atlargenutrition.com/about.php you will see our aim is to NOT fall into this breed of supplement companies.

Also, I can relate to John's comments about putting his whole weight behind advertisers. I also run a bodybuilding website and we get sponsors each month we have to turn away as myself and Chris simply do not agree with the types of products these guys offer. They range from plan crap, to things that myself and Chris just do not believe are effective enough to push to our visitors.

Theres only one way to find out and thats to give it a try :) I am sure you will not be dissapointed!

Thanks

Daniel

Thanks again Maffy!

I've noticed less stiffness and fewer aches and pains. That's 100% true....It's not a miracle supplement, but it is a very good one and I'm glad I found it.


John,

Did you take the ETS by itself or did you continue to take glucosamine along with the ETS? Any plans to stack the two? A microlactin and glucosamine combo could really help the joints. If you do stack the two, can you post any differences it made for you when you combined them?

Thanks for the order Maffy, please let everyone know how you get on!

John,

Did you take the ETS by itself or did you continue to take glucosamine along with the ETS? Any plans to stack the two? A microlactin and glucosamine combo could really help the joints. If you do stack the two, can you post any differences it made for you when you combined them?

Yes, I'm still taking Glucosamine, MSM and Chrondroitin (this is in my food logs, BTW ;)).

MicroLactin (found in ETS) and G/MSM/C address joint pain in completely different ways, so these products are a fantastic stack for overall joint health. It took a little over a week for me to start feeling the benefits of ETS.

I received my first order today. There's a hand written thank you from Chris on the invoice. I'm always impressed when a supplier takes the time to do that.

Yes, I'm still taking Glucosamine, MSM and Chrondroitin (this is in my food logs, BTW ;)).

MicroLactin (found in ETS) and G/MSM/C address joint pain in completely different ways, so these products are a fantastic stack for overall joint health. It took a little over a week for me to start feeling the benefits of ETS.

Thanks for the info.

I received my first order today. There's a hand written thank you from Chris on the invoice. I'm always impressed when a supplier takes the time to do that.

Customer service is as important to us as offering the best quality products possible.

We pride ourselves on giving the best service possible.

Thanks again for your business!

Chris

Although this is my first post I just wanted to let those who are on the fence know, that when it comes to AtLarge Nutrition, you're only going to get quality products, great service and the chance to have your questions answered by Chris. He is definitely a fountain of knowledge as he's been in this game for awhile now. I call him Grandpa Mason.;)

Although this is my first post I just wanted to let those who are on the fence know, that when it comes to AtLarge Nutrition, you're only going to get quality products, great service and the chance to have your questions answered by Chris. He is definitely a fountain of knowledge as he's been in this game for awhile now. I call him Grandpa Mason.;)

Maki,

Welcome to the boards. I didn't see your name until I was searching some threads. I guess that this place is attracting more and more seasoned indivisuals. OH...I know you from the FG and WCBB forums.

I've decided to give ETS a try... I just had a few questions that maybe Chris can answer.

1. I know that when taking ZMA, you're supposed to avoid taking it with dairy based products. There's nothing on your website about this, I was wondering if that's even a consideration, especially considering that the main ingredient in ETS (microlactin) is milk based.
2. I'm curious why ALN decided to incorporate ZMA with the microlactin. Is there something special about ZMA that works well with it or are the two just completely independent parts that have no relationship together. Why not tribulus to complete it?

AtLarge Nutrition is running an awesome deal through Monday, February 28, 2005. I'll be mentioning this in my Daily News Updates, but I wanted to let everyone here know about it right away.

For just $49.95 you are going to get

2 bottles (60 servings) of Multi-Plus Vitamins
1 bottle (60 servings) of ETS (I love this stuff!)
500g of (100 servings) Creatine monohydrate
That's over $22.00 in savings, and it will allow you to sample a few of AtLarge's products for one low price.

For more details and to place your order: http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php/products_id/13

Be sure to let everyone know what you think after you've had a chance to try these supplements by posting your review in this thread!

I've decided to give ETS a try... I just had a few questions that maybe Chris can answer.

1. I know that when taking ZMA, you're supposed to avoid taking it with dairy based products. There's nothing on your website about this, I was wondering if that's even a consideration, especially considering that the main ingredient in ETS (microlactin) is milk based.
2. I'm curious why ALN decided to incorporate ZMA with the microlactin. Is there something special about ZMA that works well with it or are the two just completely independent parts that have no relationship together. Why not tribulus to complete it?


Tribulus is a worthless product in my opinion and was proven so in the early 90s when it was FIRST being promoted. The reason it is back in vogue today is the fact that supplement companies are scrambling for something to replace pro-hormones. For me that is a sign of the sickness of our industry that people try to rehash worthless (or nearly so) products in order to make a buck.

The inclusion of zinc and magnesium are due to their proven ability to aid in strength building and their collective activity with the other ingredients to enhance the overall effects of the product.

I've been on the fence for a while about trying out ETS, and the offer John just posted about's pushed me off entirely. I'm going to order the special deal when I get home from work today.

I've only read positive things here about ETS, I need a good multivitamin, and my creatine supply's dwindling. I see no ill that can befall me here!

Thank you, we appreciate your business!

I see no ill that can befall me here!

I don't know about that. I've been taking ETS for three weeks now and all of my lifts have gone up substantially. That means I'm using heavier weights and if I drop them, they'll hurt me more. That's an ill that you might want to consider.;)

Bought a bottle of ETS just 5 minutes ago, I can't wait to use them!

Awesome customer service, misstyped my zipcode and chris himself called me to fix it! :nod:

Thanks Larry!

I ordered suppliments from Atlarge / Kent nutrition and All sports all on the same day last week... guess what came first? My ETS!!!! I can't wait to use them! Thanks again chris!

We pride ourselves on customer service.

You are more than welcome.

Hey, Chris. I have a question about ETS and other supplements. I had originally planned to take creatine, ZMA, and HMB when I start my bulking phase. Now I'm thinking of taking Muscle Synergy (a Beverly product I believe). It has creatine and HMB in it. I see that ETS has ZMA as well as other useful components. Is there any reason I shouldn't take the Muscle Synergy and ETS at the same time. These would be my sole two supplements. thanks,

Justin

Can you give me the complete ingredients of the Beverly product?

If not, no worries. The only problem with taking ETS with that product would be an overlap on the vitamin and mineral content. If there is none, or very little, then it should be just fine.

Can you give me the complete ingredients of the Beverly product?

If not, no worries. The only problem with taking ETS with that product would be an overlap on the vitamin and mineral content. If there is none, or very little, then it should be just fine.

Sure. It has 200 mg of niacin, 3000mg of creatine, 7000 mg of arginine, 3000 mg of HMB, 2000 mg of tyrosine, and 410 mg of rhodioloa rosea. Here's a link to Beverly's more detailed description of the product if you want to check it out:

http://beverlyinternational.com/products/muscle_synergy.html

Would the amount of arginine from the two sources be a problem? let me know whenever you get a chance. thanks,

Justin

I would not guess there would be any problem with taking both products based on the ingredients in the Beverly product.

That said, I have no information about possible interaction with the herb rhodiola rosea.

ETS has no known contraindictions (other than ingesting an excess of zinc, magnesium, or vitamin E if you are taking other products which contain them) to my knowledge. Of course, in today's "sue happy" world one must be very careful what they say so I would recommend that you consult with your physician prior to combining the 2 products.

I would not guess there would be any problem with taking both products based on the ingredients in the Beverly product.

That said, I have no information about possible interaction with the herb rhodiola rosea.

ETS has no known contraindictions (other than ingesting an excess of zinc, magnesium, or vitamin E if you are taking other products which contain them) to my knowledge. Of course, in today's "sue happy" world one must be very careful what they say so I would recommend that you consult with your physician prior to combining the 2 products.

Ok, I'll ask though my physician's pretty old-fashioned and not particularly gung-ho on supplementation. Only other thing I'd be taking besides the MS and the ETS is a mulivitamin. I'm not too worried. thanks. and don't worry-no plans for a lawsuit. :lol:

Thanks :D .

I was really just lamenting the current state of our society in that respect. It really is too bad that business owners feel the need to censor themselves...

Thanks :D .

I was really just lamenting the current state of our society in that respect. It really is too bad that business owners feel the need to censor themselves...

Agreed. And I'm going to law school next year-but not to be the kind of lawyer that pursues frivolous lawsuits based on placing responsibilty for your own actions on the shoulders of others. Anyhow, I will definitely be trying ETS during bulking. I'll post here and let you and everyone else know how it works for me. thanks

I got my ETS (and the rest of the $50 mega bonus bonanza package) last Friday, and have been using it since. Haven't worked out yet this week (that's tonight!) to tell any effects, but I was impressed with the customer service and speed of my order. The hand-written note was also a nice touch.

Thanks again, Chris.

Excellent JS! Good luck with law school and much success to you!

Wam, ETS normally takes 4-5 days to kick in so you should note effects quite soon. Thank you for the compliments!

Hi, I have a question about the ETS. Are there any potential problems using it if you are allergic to dairy products? The description on the site it mentions "immune milk" so I am curious. Also, if it takes 4-5 days to kick in, does it take time to wear off also?

Yes, there could be a problem if you are allergic to milk based products. In terms of lactose intolerance that should not be much of a problem as there is such an insignificant amount as to only trouble the most severely sensitive people. In terms of other allergies the product is milk-based so I would advise caution to those individuals allergic to dairy.

We recently received an unsolicited email from one of our customers. In the email he was very flattering about our products. This was very nice in and of itself but we were completely BLOWN AWAY when he proceeded to tells us what he had done and prove it with before and after pictures.

Mike Symons lost over 17 lbs of FAT in only 28 days! The weight loss is quite impressive but what makes it AMAZING (at least to us) is that what he lost was nearly all fat. His strength did not decline and he actually improved in some lifts.

Here is a link which includes pictures: Mike's Success Story! (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/mike_symons.php?osCsid=117b9fb355ab9b8b37b98a7090c cc744)

I just received my order of Multi Plus and Opticen from ALN. I love the chocolate flavor but watch out for the thickness! I mixed one serving of Opticen with 16 oz of skim milk and it was delicious but extremely thick. Tomorrow, I'll make it with 20 oz of milk and see how much the viscosity decreases. I'll also try it in a blender with some ice. I have to be careful - Opticen has just become one of my new cheat meals.

Overall, I give the Opticen high marks. Its very tasty and reminds me of a melting chocolate milkshake. The customer service was prompt as usual. In fact, I placed the order and then finished a couple of tasks. I was on my way out and checked my email one last time and there was the shipping notification - within 30 minutes after ordering. :tucool:

Chris and ALN exceed my (already high) expectations each and every time I order from them and this order has been more of the same.

Thank you for those kind words Hobbes.

Question for Chris and other's imput is also welcome: I'm planning to start with ETS. I had also wanted to take ZMA. Rather than take both and possibly have too much I was thinking of taking a zinc tablet (at 50 mg zinc) and looking for some arginine too. I'd take these with my nightly dose of ETS. Any thoughts?

Question for Chris and other's imput is also welcome: I'm planning to start with ETS. I had also wanted to take ZMA. Rather than take both and possibly have too much I was thinking of taking a zinc tablet (at 50 mg zinc) and looking for some arginine too. I'd take these with my nightly dose of ETS. Any thoughts?

The zinc and magnesium in ETS should be more than sufficient. If you wish to take arginine with it that would be fine.

Chris

The zinc and magnesium in ETS should be more than sufficient. If you wish to take arginine with it that would be fine.

Chris

Ok. Thanks, Chris.

This has been touched on before, but I'm not sure it was ever fully answered. There's a lot of talk about food, particularly calcium-rich food causing poor absorbtion of ZMA. Here, zinc and magnesium is actually formulated with microlactin. Nevertheless, should ETS and diary products at the same time be avoided? A typical pre-bed meal for me would be cottage cheese and fruit or some kind of carb. I've just ordered low carb grow which is a protein blend with micellar casein. So, I expect to be having this before bed with some carbs frequently. Many have recommended taking ZMA an hour before bed and having your food immediately before. Would this apply with ETS as well? Or is it not necessary? thanks,

Justin

I take my ETS in the morning and afternoon (or all in the morning). The timing issue is not going to make a big difference in my opinion.

With respect to calcium, if there is any in the Microlactin (TM) it would be such a minute amount as to have little to no effect on the absorption of zinc and magnesium.

I take my ETS in the morning and afternoon (or all in the morning). The timing issue is not going to make a big difference in my opinion.

With respect to calcium, if there is any in the Microlactin (TM) it would be such a minute amount as to have little to no effect on the absorption of zinc and magnesium.

Thanks. Ok, that's good. So in regard to diary products and other foods high in calcium, make an effort to take it at a different time as them or you don't think that matters too much either?

Thanks. Ok, that's good. So in regard to diary products and other foods high in calcium, make an effort to take it at a different time as them or you don't think that matters too much either?

Yeah, I really wouldn't sweat it. Just take the product when most convenient for you.

Yeah, I really wouldn't sweat it. Just take the product when most convenient for you.

Ok, good. Thanks.

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Just finished trying At Large Nutrition's Nitrean's Whey Supplement (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php/products_id/1) 1 scoop a day for about 20 days. I thought it would be a good idea to write a quick review on what I thought.

Taste:
While it is a few dollars more than what I buy (ON's Whey Protein) the taste is so much better. I ordered chocolate flavor, used it in my shake and it's kinda the difference between a waxy chocolatey bar and a good quality chocolate. It seems that Nitrean is more milky-like while the ON's I use is a little more artificial tasting. I even gave my wife a taste of each and she loved At Large's much better. No brainer, really.

Nutrition Facts:
Both about the same -- Nitrean does have one more gram of protein per serving than ON's.

Effectiveness:
I felt like it helped - using it along with my workout program I was able to make some good progress. I lost 5 pounds in around 3 weeks. Here are the photos:

Before -- April 2, 2005 (175 lbs)
http://www.thesteckers.net/images/jeremy/fitness/april2a.jpghttp://www.thesteckers.net/images/jeremy/fitness/april2b.jpg

After -- April 17, 2005 (170.5 lbs)
http://www.thesteckers.net/images/jeremy/fitness/april17a.jpghttp://www.thesteckers.net/images/jeremy/fitness/april17b.jpg

Overall, with my limited experience, I would recommend this supplement to anyone.

Thanks for the review Stecman!

I would like to clarify one important factor, our protein products all use a blend of WHEY, CASEIN, AND EGG PROTEINS. They are not strict whey-only products as I truly believe the blend we use is superior in effectiveness. Our product will result in a greater net retention of protein than any whey-only product on the market.

Stecman also mentioned something that nearly all of our users have noted, our product tastes and mixes as well as ANY product they have ever used and better than most.

If you haven't given our protein products a try you should, you will NOT be disappointed.

Chris

Just wanted to say,

I've ordered from ALN for about 2 month's now and their products are top notch. My favorite product from ALN is Opticen not only does it contain a ton of protien for the calories which is great for my cutting, but it also carries a ton of vitamins and different protien types which is good for me because I do not have the time to mess with a ton of supplements due to being in the military.

Opticen tastes great, mixes perfectly with water, and is realitively cheap compared to the other MRP's I've tried. So far I've only had the vanilla so I can't comment on the chocolate.

My only comment is I wish you had bigger sizes of the opticen because I am often underway for 2-4 weeks at a time and keep running out so I ration it by mixing with regular whey protien.

On another note ALN is very easy to deal with, has fast service and is very personal in their customer relations.

All said ALN is top on my list of distributers that I buy from online. Keep up the great work guys.

-Phil Zito

Just wanted to say,

I've ordered from ALN for about 2 month's now and their products are top notch. My favorite product from ALN is Opticen not only does it contain a ton of protien for the calories which is great for my cutting, but it also carries a ton of vitamins and different protien types which is good for me because I do not have the time to mess with a ton of supplements due to being in the military.

Opticen tastes great, mixes perfectly with water, and is realitively cheap compared to the other MRP's I've tried. So far I've only had the vanilla so I can't comment on the chocolate.

My only comment is I wish you had bigger sizes of the opticen because I am often underway for 2-4 weeks at a time and keep running out so I ration it by mixing with regular whey protien.

On another note ALN is very easy to deal with, has fast service and is very personal in their customer relations.

All said ALN is top on my list of distributers that I buy from online. Keep up the great work guys.

-Phil Zito

Thanks a lot Phil! It is always nice to receive compliments from our customers!

I am glad you mentioned one of our protein products. Our protein products are tops in quality and definitely worth the consideration of anyone looking for the best protein products on the market.

Just wanted to drop a note that we are now accepting PayPal.

Chris,

Is your company closely tied to Wannabebig.com?

I noticed a lot of ad's for AtLarge on their site and was wondering what the extent of the relationship was.

Yes sir. My partner owns Wbb and it was our customer base when we first began AtLarge.

Feel free to post there as we are always looking for solid contributors such as yourself.

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner, I just noticed it.

Chris

Is the ETS ok to take during a bulk phase? I am interested in this product as I do get DOMS and some joint pain. But right now am bulking so just want to check if it's a good overall supplement.

Is the ETS ok to take during a bulk phase? I am interested in this product as I do get DOMS and some joint pain. But right now am bulking so just want to check if it's a good overall supplement.Absolutely. I wish I'd known about ETS during my last bulk. It is very effective, and I'll definitely continue to use it during my next bulk later this year.

Thanks John!

I have noticed there are other cheaper sources for this microlactin compound out there, I was wondering is there anything different about the ETS supplement than those (apart from the added zinc+magnesium)?

I.e. are there "quality" differences between different manufacturers source of microlactin or are they all as I suspect sourced from the same company that trademarked it, so are the same grade?

Thanks.

If you purchase a real MicroLactin (TM) product then the source is the same, yes.

You touched on a very valid point about our product. The addition of zinc, magnesium, and vitamins C and E in specific ratios provides a synergistic effect with MicroLactin (TM).

In short, you can take MicroLactin (TM) by itself or you can take our product and experience even better results.

Edited. I made a mistakke!

Ooops sorry. I made a mistake. I thought it said 60 pills per bottle, not 60 servings. Whew, I was like dang! This is way to expensive for me to try. Sorry about the mix up!

No worries, and thanks for clearing that up.

Each bottle of ETS is a 30 day supply at full dose.

4 capsules taken twice per day is the recommended dose.

Yeah, sorry Chris. I didn't mean to sound like this product is overpriced. Its not. I'm just a poor college grad and thought I couldn't afford it.

Which of course do to me not being able to read labels properly. D'oh! Is definately NOT the case.

As most people here know, I cannot stand the taste nor can I stand the mixing of my current protein powder, though I do believe it is a cheap and effective protein (I never doubted how effective it is, and I just ignore the taste and texture). The price is very good and I have used it a lot with success.

However, At Large Nutrition's Nitrean may get my business should it prove effective. UPS just delivered it today and I just got finished with my first two uses of it right in a row.

I tried 1 scoop with water first, and it does taste better than my current protein shake. In fact it tastes not only "more chocolatey" but it has a different, almost awkward taste (awkward in a good way, imagine thinking "hmmmm, wow, what IS that?"). I don't know how to explain it, but it tastes "like food" and not like "a protein shake." I am not sure what it was, egg maybe, I can't really figure it out yet.

Next I immediately tried 1 scoop in f/f milk. Even better, though most would assume that this would be obvious. :)

My major complaint with my other protein brand was the protein clumps and trying to "unclump" it from the grate or smooshing it with a spoon. I was happy to see Nitrean mix immediately - WITH NO SHAKER - I actually used a cup and a spoon and just stirred it in. ZERO clumps.

(My shakers are all in the dishwasher right now, lol.)

I think the only competition to Nitrean, that I have personally found, might be Muscle Milk, but seeing as how it has 2g/carbs and 1g/fat, and MM has LOTS of carbs and fat, MM BETTER taste good. (I know that MM is not considered a protein powder and probably more of a MRP, but I felt that since I've recommended it's taste on JSF many times that I should make this point to avoid confusion.)

I will try to formulate some type of review of the product's effectiveness after I finish off this container. I really don't see why it would not be effective unless the label was wrong or something; the p/f/c/cal all seem to be perfect and right along what I know I need.

I'll post again on taste after I try this as a PWO supplement with DEX/MALTO. This will most likely be where I use this product the most.

I'll also be trying this as a MRP of sorts with some other various ingredients: whipping cream, egg whites, maybe some flax, maybe as a morning meal with some oats.

Thanks Chris Mason and At Large Nutrition. I rarely deviate from BB.com for products but I do like this one a lot so far. Again, should it prove as effective as my other brand, and I don't see why it won't (and I'll post another report back here when I finish the container), I'll be picking this product up more than a few more times. :tucool:

Had to give my two cents on Nitrean too. A great protein powder! I posted in the nutrition section earlier, but my post seems like it would belong here. Here's what I wrote:

Has anybody else here tried Nitrean from At Large Nutrition? I love it!It's possibly my favorite protein powder. I really like the taste-a nice minty taste to it. It mixes really well too. I think the best of any protein powder I've tried. I also really like that it's a blend of proteins. I feel good about substituting it for the occasional meal-either with carbs of fat added. I don't like to do this with a whey-only mix. It's helpful to me in particular right now because I'm busing part-time. And they don't let us take any beaks for meals during our shift. I'll put Nitrean in a water bottle with some olive oil for a liquid P + F meal. The price is hard to beat too. Anyhow, I'm a very happy man! I'd definitely recommend it to anyone looking for a new protein powder or to supplement their protein intake.

Excellent, thanks for your opinions guys!

I would like to point out something about our protein products. We don't sell a whey only product. Both Nitrean and Opticen (our MRP) use a proprietary blend of whey (isolates, concentrate and hydrolyzed), casein, and egg proteins. This allows our product to provide a greater net retention of ingested protein when compared to any whey-only product. Nitrean provides 24g of protein per 30g serving which makes also makes it as good or better than just about anything on the market (Opticen is 52g per serving).

The bottom line is that our product performs as well or better than ANY protein on the market and it tastes great and mixes exceptionally well to boot!

If you have not yet given it a try please do. You will be glad you did!

Hey Chris

i signed up for an account yesteday and ordered a Nitrean. the order went thru and everything but i got NO EMAIL CONFIRMATIONS. i also signed up for an acct but got no email as well. Can u pls make sure the order went ok?

thnx

my email is kgognaun@ucla.edu

Hey Chris

i signed up for an account yesteday and ordered a Nitrean. the order went thru and everything but i got NO EMAIL CONFIRMATIONS. i also signed up for an acct but got no email as well. Can u pls make sure the order went ok?

thnx

my email is kgognaun@ucla.edu

PM me your real name and I will get right on it.

Chris

The Nitrean is so good I feel like I am cheating! :o
Can you recommend a healthy carb drink to mix with the Creatine?
I am strictly a water and coffee guy so I am clueless when it comes to juice, especially healthy juice.

The Nitrean is so good I feel like I am cheating! :o
Can you recommend a healthy carb drink to mix with the Creatine?
I am strictly a water and coffee guy so I am clueless when it comes to juice, especially healthy juice.

Sweet! I am glad you like it!

I just mix my creatine with orange juice. It has always worked nicely for me.

Chris

OK...I'm jumping on the Nitrean bandwagon here as well. This is really a great protein powder. I've been all over the board as far as trying what are considered to be the "top brands" out there. Protein blends is an area where you typically begin to see some fairly high pricing...and often they turn out not to taste so hot. Nitrean doesn't suffer from either of these downfalls. It's protein blend is right up there with any of the top names in the industry. While I'm tempted to compare Nitrean to some of the other products available...it really wouldn't be fair. Because you get 4.6lbs for the same price that some of the other manufacturers are charging for 2lbs. :nod:
I've tried both the chocolate and the vanilla...but I'm leaning toward the chocolate as my favorite. The chocolate taste like Beverly's Ultra Size with a hint of mint...BUT...for half the price.
Both the chocolate and vanilla taste great and it's easy to look forward to mixing up a shake with either of them...but what it really comes down to when you start comparing apples and oranges, is the price. It's absolutely unheard of to see a protein blend of this quality at nearly half the price of what other manufacturers are charging. I wish that I had taken a closer look at this sooner. :tu:

Thanks for your opinion Kino!

Hi everybody, this is my first post here after reading the forums for quite a while (I was so pleased with my experience that I decided to finally register).

I recently ordered Nitrean (as part of the Summer special) and have been extremely pleased. It's been quite a few years since I've tried a protein shake and this is like a chocolate frappe compared to the most expensive shakes 3 or 4 years ago! I'll defer to the experts here as to the quality of the protein (everybody seems to approve) but will certainly vouch for the amazing taste and ease with which it mixes (even with just a spoon).

I'm also very happy with the Thermacin product and it seems to be really helping me with (AM fasted) cardio.

Finally, Chris has been extremely helpful in answering my questions in private emails and the shipping was extremely fast (everything arrived in perfect shape).

Thanks again Chris!

Also, thanks to everybody else on these forums. You've been inspirational and extremely informative as I try to get my exercise life back on track!

- Joe

Hi everybody, this is my first post here after reading the forums for quite a while (I was so pleased with my experience that I decided to finally register).

I recently ordered Nitrean (as part of the Summer special) and have been extremely pleased. It's been quite a few years since I've tried a protein shake and this is like a chocolate frappe compared to the most expensive shakes 3 or 4 years ago! I'll defer to the experts here as to the quality of the protein (everybody seems to approve) but will certainly vouch for the amazing taste and ease with which it mixes (even with just a spoon).

I'm also very happy with the Thermacin product and it seems to be really helping me with (AM fasted) cardio.

Finally, Chris has been extremely helpful in answering my questions in private emails and the shipping was extremely fast (everything arrived in perfect shape).

Thanks again Chris!

Also, thanks to everybody else on these forums. You've been inspirational and extremely informative as I try to get my exercise life back on track!

- Joe

You are welcome Joe! Thanks for expressing your opinion here and helping to spread the word. Great products and great customer service are VERY important to us.

Chris

Tomorrow I will order 2 more tubs of Nitrean. I'm out, and just had to switch to my "old protein" the last few days and I'm back to gagging in the sink. See what procrastination does? :o

A notable change to my routine as of late is that I've stopped creatine (been off of it for a month) but my size/weight has not gone down (I'm bulking still). As a matter of fact I am still climbing in weight. I believe this can be somewhat attributed to Nitrean, as the blend of proteins is better than my old protein shake. Also worth noting is that I have increased my amount of protein shakes to bump my protein totals for the day, and of course I used Nitrean to do this.

I was able to use Nitrean for a couple of weeks only, but in that time I've gone up over 2 pounds in weight, which is seriously a lot for me at this point (it's becoming harder and harder to increase mass the bigger I get). Waist size is the same, neck/face looks the same (not fat/bloated), but my weight is higher.

As to "how well does Nitrean work?" Well I would say pretty good. You all know how I feel about the taste (incredible), but the actual effects on muscle gain seem to be better than my old protein powder.

BTW, mixing Nitrean with Dextrose is absolutely amazing in taste. Woah, I seriously felt like I was cheating.

Thanks also to Chris who provides stellar customer service. I had a problem with my order and Chris was right on top of it within the hour and helping me get it straight. That's something you rarely see in the supplement industry.

1) I ordered Nitrean a while ago and ran into some email problems. Chris sent me a new order of a free sample of his energy product, and this was a seperate delivery that he made to me free of charge. Also, he gave an entire weeks sample! I hate it when companies send u one sample, i mean, it takes a couple days to really evaluate how much u like it.

2) Nitrean is a good protein. Taste wise, i didnt feel like it was 'awesome', but it was good. Nutrient wise, AMAZING. I mix it with water, so take that into consideration. No clumping

Great service

Customer for life

Clumping was a major concern for me too my friend. I was very happy to see Nitrean mix perfect in a cup with a spoon!

I too mix in water and I personally love the taste. But you have to understand I was previously using a product that had me gagging some of the time! :)

Have you tried it PWO yet? Did you add any dextrose to it? I find that Nitrean and Dex work very well together taste-wise.

1) I ordered Nitrean a while ago and ran into some email problems. Chris sent me a new order of a free sample of his energy product, and this was a seperate delivery that he made to me free of charge. Also, he gave an entire weeks sample! I hate it when companies send u one sample, i mean, it takes a couple days to really evaluate how much u like it.

2) Nitrean is a good protein. Taste wise, i didnt feel like it was 'awesome', but it was good. Nutrient wise, AMAZING. I mix it with water, so take that into consideration. No clumping

Great service

Customer for life

Oh hell,
I've gotta jump in here quick. I just ordered my Nitrean but it hasn't been delivered yet. After hearing the rants and raves I just had to try it. (mostly GTX who hates my current protein) Anyway, originally I was a little hesitant because it was a little priceier than ON whey. However, after thinking about it I realized I would actually be saving money due to the fact that I could bypass my normal seperate order of casein as Nitrean is a blend which can be used as a PM protein also.
Lastly, when placing my order I spoke to Chris directly which seemed much more personal than speaking to some voice on a phone.
In short, I can't wait to get my chocolate nitrean and try it for myself.
I'll let you all know what I think. (especially you GTX)

Thanks Door and I enjoyed our brief conversation. I look forward to your opinion on the product.

Lastly, when placing my order I spoke to Chris directly which seemed much more personal than speaking to some voice on a phone.
(especially you GTX)
That's awesome to be able to speak right to the proprietor (or co-proprietor) because you're guaranteed good service and satisfaction. :tucool:

(Yep, I need to clean my kitchen.)

I received my first order of Nitrean last week. Truthfully, at first I wasn't overly impressed by the taste. However, I now realize this was because I had been using my normal protein for so long I had been conditioned to believe that was the way protein was "supposed" to taste. I'm glad to say I now LOVE the taste of Nitrean. It mixes well in a glass in seconds. Truth be told -- easy to use product, tastes great. The real beauty is the indgredients. It's a three way blend of whey, egg, and casein. I use it post workout and PM as well.
Chris was a pleasure to do business with. He took a few minutes out of his busy day to answer a few of my questions. He told me my delivery would probably get here on Wednesday and sure enough it did.
All in all it was a pleasant experience and I will continue to do business with him!

Thanx Chris.

(Yep, I need to clean my kitchen.)



GTX, you're a sick man!!!!!

GTX, you're a sick man!!!!!
I know, but that is why you and I get along so well!!! :lol:

I know, but that is why you and I get along so well!!! :lol:

Yup. Birds of a feather!!!!!!!

I think I need to have that picture posted in our testimonials section GTX!

I think I need to have that picture posted in our testimonials section GTX!
:lol: Please don't! Or at least wait until I have less bodyfat, hahaha!

When I asked my girlfriend to take my picture, as I was kissing a tub of protein powder, she was like "what in the world is wrong with you!?"

:lol: Please don't! Or at least wait until I have less bodyfat, hahaha!

When I asked my girlfriend to take my picture, as I was kissing a tub of protein powder, she was like "what in the world is wrong with you!?"


Lmao :lol: That just got me to get a good laugh in:))less bodyfat and then you can have a pic:))Just think you at your heaviest to promote a protein,Its great :D

Lmao :lol: That just got me to get a good laugh in:))less bodyfat and then you can have a pic:))Just think you at your heaviest to promote a protein,Its great :D
Huh :d_confuse

Lmao :lol: That just got me to get a good laugh in:))less bodyfat and then you can have a pic:))Just think you at your heaviest to promote a protein,Its great :D

I'm lost. Explain.

I'm lost. Explain.


I thought it was hilarious the way GTX says no dont use that pic.....thats all :rolleyes:

:lol:

I thought it was hilarious the way GTX says no dont use that pic.....thats all :rolleyes:

:lol:

OHHHHH. You'll have to excuse me. I'm a little slow!!!!!!!

Just tried my Nitrean out today in some oatmeal...and it tasted pretty good. Wait...I think I just felt the casein kicking in...sweet.

Just tried my Nitrean out today in some oatmeal...and it tasted pretty good. Wait...I think I just felt the casein kicking in...sweet.


:nod:
:tu:

:lol: Please don't! Or at least wait until I have less bodyfat, hahaha!



It looks perfect as is.
Anyone looking at that picture will be able to tell you are 1 thick muther :db:

I have an idea for a new pic.
Make a lil shrine with some of At Large products and some candles.
Kneel down in front of it (back showing) with lats flexed and traps standing at attention while worshipping at the alter of At Large :tu:

Day 2 Update:

2 scoops of chocolate Nitrean, 1/2 cup of milk and about 8 ice cubes = the best-tasting 250KCal milkshake I have ever had.

Day 2 Update:

2 scoops of chocolate Nitrean, 1/2 cup of milk and about 8 ice cubes = the best-tasting 250KCal milkshake I have ever had.

Im ordering one vanilla and one chocolate tommorow.This myoplex RTD shakes are wasting my money.Wish there was over nite service for protein:)

:D lets hope atlarge nutrition thinks about expanding to the UK !

:D lets hope atlarge nutrition thinks about expanding to the UK !

We will ship to the UK. You can get a custom quote by PMing me here.

Chris

Eagerly awaiting the arrival of my ETS and Nitrean and had a few questions - Does ETS have the same effects as ZMA and the added effects of the MicroLactin? Or are the Zinc and Magnesium in the ETS not quite the same as ZMA far as effects (increased testosterone, better sleep, diminished DOMS, etc.) are concerned?

Also, 4 ETS capsules, twice a day is the current recommended serving - I've read that ZMA shouldn't be taken except right before sleeping, because of the drowsiness...how does that work with ETS?

Thanks
Ender :tucool:

Eagerly awaiting the arrival of my ETS and Nitrean and had a few questions - Does ETS have the same effects as ZMA and the added effects of the MicroLactin? Or are the Zinc and Magnesium in the ETS not quite the same as ZMA far as effects (increased testosterone, better sleep, diminished DOMS, etc.) are concerned?

Also, 4 ETS capsules, twice a day is the current recommended serving - I've read that ZMA shouldn't be taken except right before sleeping, because of the drowsiness...how does that work with ETS?

Thanks
Ender :tucool:

ETS will help with sleep but will not make you drowsy when taken in the morning.

All of the ingredients in ETS work together to result in an overall greater effect than taking any of them alone or in other combinations.

I hope this answers your questions.

Eagerly awaiting the arrival of my ETS and Nitrean and had a few questions - Does ETS have the same effects as ZMA and the added effects of the MicroLactin? Or are the Zinc and Magnesium in the ETS not quite the same as ZMA far as effects (increased testosterone, better sleep, diminished DOMS, etc.) are concerned?

Also, 4 ETS capsules, twice a day is the current recommended serving - I've read that ZMA shouldn't be taken except right before sleeping, because of the drowsiness...how does that work with ETS?

Thanks
Ender :tucool:

I started taking ETS a little over 3 weeks ago.
My DOMS improved almost instantly. Before taking ETS my DOMS would last upwards of 5 days and now they are gone in 24 for 48 hours. IMO this has everything to do with the ETS and not natural progression because I am forever changing my routine and increasing the intensity of my workouts.

I have also noticed a performance boost in both power and endurance.
Sleep? I can't answer that because I suffer from insomnia :(

Great, thanks! Also, its ok to take with a multivitamin that has 100mg of Mg and 15mg of Zn?

:tu:

I wouldn't personally recommend that you take both simultaneously.

I wouldn't personally recommend that you take both simultaneously.
I'm currently suffering from the worst case of DOMS in a while. I couldn't raise my arms for two days and bending my arms was a bitch on my triceps. I'm seriously looking into purchasing this product. I do take a MV and was concerned by the comment above. Are you saying that we shouldn't take a MV in conjunction with this supplement? Please explain what you mean. What do you suppose are the risk?

Just wanted to post up, I ordered some chocolate Opticen last week and have to say it is exceptionally good! With milk, in a blender, it tastes very similar to a cold glass of hot chocolate. I actually look forward to drinking my shakes each day!

I usually use 2-3 servings of the supplement in 12-14 oz of milk with a whole banana, blended.

Just wanted to post up, I ordered some chocolate Opticen last week and have to say it is exceptionally good! With milk, in a blender, it tastes very similar to a cold glass of hot chocolate. I actually look forward to drinking my shakes each day!

I usually use 2-3 servings of the supplement in 12-14 oz of milk with a whole banana, blended.

Thanks for your comments Chican!

Just wanted to post up, I ordered some chocolate Opticen last week and have to say it is exceptionally good! With milk, in a blender, it tastes very similar to a cold glass of hot chocolate. I actually look forward to drinking my shakes each day!

I usually use 2-3 servings of the supplement in 12-14 oz of milk with a whole banana, blended.
Thanks for this post. I had been wondering about this product myself. My girlfriend needs a better MRP and we might have to give this one a try.

I appreciate it!

I just purchased Nitrean and was wondering if I still need to continue on with my dextrose? I'm using dextrose in my Whey shakes, but was wondering if Nitrean would be any different.

Thanks.

I just purchased Nitrean and was wondering if I still need to continue on with my dextrose? I'm using dextrose in my Whey shakes, but was wondering if Nitrean would be any different.

Thanks.
It's up to you. Nitrean does not have hardly any carbs in it, so if you're using it PWO and like to run high-carb shakes PWO, then yes keep adding dex.

Nitrean+Dex=TASTINESS TO THE EXTREME!!!! (I do this, it's awesome!)

It's up to you. Nitrean does not have hardly any carbs in it, so if you're using it PWO and like to run high-carb shakes PWO, then yes keep adding dex.

Nitrean+Dex=TASTINESS TO THE EXTREME!!!! (I do this, it's awesome!)

Great... looking forward to it.

Great... looking forward to it.
If you add milk instead of water, or try a milk/water combo, Nitrean, in my opinion, seriously gives Muscle Milk a run for it's money on taste. And the nutrition facts blow MM out the window.

Let us know what you think!

Let us know what you think!

Damn, I mixed that with water and it was great. I can't wait to try it in milk. I'm scared to mix in glutamine as it might make the taste worst(i'm sure it will)

Damn AtLargeNutrion for making such good products that I have to go and buy Opticen now.

Now do I go with chocolate(which I know is good) or Vanilla...

Thanks for the compliments on the products!

I prefer chocolate Nitrean but vanilla Opticen if you want my input.

I went ahead and went with Chocolate, but I'll get vanilla for my next one.

I also got Thermocin. I've never used a pill, but I figured since I loved your protien powder so much, I'd give that a shot too.

Anyone have thoughts on Thermocin?

I'm enjoying your Nitrean product very much, though I was wondering how many grams of isolated casein peptides is in each serving?

I'm enjoying your Nitrean product very much, though I was wondering how many grams of isolated casein peptides is in each serving?

Actually, if you take a look at the label I believe it shows you the breakdown of the various protein fractions.

Actually, if you take a look at the label I believe it shows you the breakdown of the various protein fractions.


1%, yikes.

Hey!

About how long does an order take to ship? i'm just excited :D for my opticen that i ordered 1 week ago!! i'm hoping for monday, but how long does it usually take? :d_confuse

Hey!

About how long does an order take to ship? i'm just excited :D for my opticen that i ordered 1 week ago!! i'm hoping for monday, but how long does it usually take? :d_confuseWhere do you live? I live in Orlando, Florida and it rarely takes longer than just a few days!

Where do you live? I live in Orlando, Florida and it rarely takes longer than just a few days!


I live in Oregon :rolleyes:

We are in VA. Oregon is on the opposite coast and usually takes 6-8 days to ship.


To try to better answer the question about casein there are roughly 5g per serving with 14g of whey (various types) and 5g of egg protein.

1%, yikes.

What are you talking about?

Since I didn't see an answer posted to this question when it was previously asked:

Chris, are you suggesting that we not take a multivitamin while taking ETS, since most MV's that I've seen contain both zinc and magnesium?

I am extremely interested in taking ETS, but I'm not sure I want to give up taking a good multivitamin to do so.

Since I didn't see an answer posted to this question when it was previously asked:

Chris, are you suggesting that we not take a multivitamin while taking ETS, since most MV's that I've seen contain both zinc and magnesium?

I am extremely interested in taking ETS, but I'm not sure I want to give up taking a good multivitamin to do so.


Zinc and magnesium are something you don't want to take excessively thus my thoughts on the mutli and ETS. That said, there are plenty of people using both and not experiencing any problems. The decision is yours and you can keep an eye out for any possible side effects of excessive zinc or magnesium ingestion if you do.

I can tell you this much, ETS will provide you a much greater ergogenic effect than any multi-vitamin.

Chris

Anyone using and/or have thoughts on ALN's Multivitamin?

I recently switched to AST's multi. I have no bad opinions on this product but I will run out soon (in the next couple of weeks). As I need to make another Nitrean order (and probably their MRP for my girlfriend), I was thinking of just trying their multi as well.

Just received my Opticen today!!

I had my first serving earlier in the day, and man i was surprised at how good it tasted :spaz: It definitly is a meal replacement, as i was too full to think of food after i drank the 18oz of it!!

Good buy!! and lets hope for some added muscle :db:

Just received my Opticen today!!

I had my first serving earlier in the day, and man i was surprised at how good it tasted :spaz: It definitly is a meal replacement, as i was too full to think of food after i drank the 18oz of it!!

Good buy!! and lets hope for some added muscle :db:

Sweet! Remember, if you want to up the calories mix a serving of Opticen with 2 or more cups of whole milk.

WHOO!

Ordered early this morning.

2 tubs of Nitrean are on the way! :drool:

Thanks a lot for the business GTX and everyone else who has ordered!

Where is the crying emoticon!!!?

I ordered too late! I ran out and today I had to use the old protein powder a few times (not Nitrean)! You'd think after a layoff I might be able to handle the rancid taste, but there I was standing over the sink holding my nose and trying to keep from puking up that nasty stuff.

Tomorrow I'm going to just eat more chicken and take a day off from protein shakes! :) Hopefully Nitrean will be on my doorstep Monday! :lol:

After reading so many positive responses on these forums I'm finally getting around to placing an order for some ETS and Nitrean, that is if I can convince your website to accept my billing address.

Not quite sure what the issue is, so I'm going to wait a couple of days and try again.

After reading so many positive responses on these forums I'm finally getting around to placing an order for some ETS and Nitrean, that is if I can convince your website to accept my billing address.

Not quite sure what the issue is, so I'm going to wait a couple of days and try again.

If you like, just use the correct billing address for both the shipping and billing and then tell us where you actually want it shipped in the "comments" section.

Otherwise, just give me a call at (434)882-1291 and I will handle it for you.

Chris

Thanks for the offer, Chris, but it looks like I finally got it to work.

I had kept getting an error indicating that there was something wrong with the billing address I was putting it, but I think it was because I just moved and changed it with my bank, and they were taking longer than I thought to update it or something. When I tried again today with the same info it worked fine.

I really look forward to giving your products a try. Thanks!

Just checked my e-mail and within hours of my order I got the notification that it has been shipped.

Wow. :claphigh:

Where do you live? I live in Orlando, Florida and it rarely takes longer than just a few days!

I live in N.Y. and I got my last shipment in 2 days! :D

We aim to please gentlemen!

:D

Seriously, we try to have the best customer service in the business.

We aim to please gentlemen!

:D

Seriously, we try to have the best customer service in the business.

Gotta give you that. It's nice talking to a REAL person when placing your order. I especially liked my little note from Chris asking about my homemade tri pulley system. Personalization is a nice touch! :tu:

Agreed. I was pretty amazed at how quickly and nicely Chris responded to my email(s). And I too get the handwritten notes. Gotta give props for customer service - that goes a very long way in my book.

Just got my order of Nitrean and ETS. As said earlier, really impressive service from Chris and Co. Every e-mail I've sent got a super fast response, and nothing ever had that cold, automated feel that we're all used to getting from online stores.

It will obviously take me a while to see what kind of difference the ETS makes, but I can offer my immediate observations on the Nitrean.

First off, man that tub is HUGE. I felt like a little kid holding that thing! :eek: I've heard so many good things about the taste of Nitrean that I was really excited to try it. After I first opened it, though, I was somewhat put off by the smell. There's this weird odor, like old chocolate and some sort of chemical. I don't know how to describe it. It's not horrible or anything (not vomit inducing like the smell of hydrolyzed whey) but not particularly wonderful either.

I'm happy to say though that the smell bears little resemblence to the taste. Blended with fat free milk and a couple of whole eggs (this is my morning shake I'm drinking so I use whole eggs) it tastes very much like a lot of the various commercial chocolate milk mixes you can buy in stores. It tastes good in general, but by supplement standards this stuff is amazing! The more I think about all the quality protein that's in it along with glutamine peptide and so forth the better it seems to taste. :tu:

Thanks again, Chris, and I will definitely be reordering both these items when my existing supply runs out.

Thank you! I really appreciate all of the patronage we have received from the folks on this board!

My business philosophy is to sell quality products that reallt work and offer the best service possible. If that sounds like a company anyone reading this might like to buy from please accept my invitation to do so.

Chris

I'm very pleased to report that vanilla Opticen, like its chocolate counterpart, also tastes amazing! Once mixed in milk, it strongly reminds me of vanilla cake batter. It's delicious!

With both chocolate and vanilla, I would actually recommend using less milk than you normally would in order to strengthen the taste of the powders and give the milk a thicker consistency. For an even tastier treat, I've found that adding brown sugar and cinnamon to my shakes makes them absolutely irresistable.

:claplow:

I'm very pleased to report that vanilla Opticen, like its chocolate counterpart, also tastes amazing! Once mixed in milk, it strongly reminds me of vanilla cake batter. It's delicious!

With both chocolate and vanilla, I would actually recommend using less milk than you normally would in order to strengthen the taste of the powders and give the milk a thicker consistency. For an even tastier treat, I've found that adding brown sugar and cinnamon to my shakes makes them absolutely irresistable.

:claplow:
OHHHH that sounds good (cinnamon/brown sugar)!

I have not liked anything vanilla ever since I forced down Hot Stuff Double X in 10th grade (who remembers that!?).

Chris - any plans on new flavors some day? Just curious.

Speaking of I need to place an order this week...

I like to stick with the basics with respect to flavor but we will expand the line eventually. Strawberry would probably be the next flavor.

I'm very pleased to report that vanilla Opticen, like its chocolate counterpart, also tastes amazing! Once mixed in milk, it strongly reminds me of vanilla cake batter. It's delicious!

With both chocolate and vanilla, I would actually recommend using less milk than you normally would in order to strengthen the taste of the powders and give the milk a thicker consistency. For an even tastier treat, I've found that adding brown sugar and cinnamon to my shakes makes them absolutely irresistable.

:claplow:

Cool, thanks for letting everyone know your opinion!

I like the idea of the special treat as well. I will have to give that a go.

I like to stick with the basics with respect to flavor but we will expand the line eventually. Strawberry would probably be the next flavor.
I can't believe you said that, because Strawberry was the one I would DEFINITELY suggest. :drool:

Any plans for a weight gainer? Or just tips for adding carbs to opticen? Currently I'm adding some oats.

I just truly realized yesterday the effect that ETS is having on me. I just started lifting again and went straight on ETS. I usually workout in the evening and go to bed soon after. I haven't felt any soreness, so been wondering if it's all due to ETS, Earlier I felt it consistently on the second day. Yesterday I did my workout in the morning, Just a few hours afterwards I felt it. So I guess I'm usually sleeping it off. Now I'm wondering if this means that I can decrease my rest periods before repeating the same muscle groups.

I'm very pleased to report that vanilla Opticen, like its chocolate counterpart, also tastes amazing! Once mixed in milk, it strongly reminds me of vanilla cake batter. It's delicious!

With both chocolate and vanilla, I would actually recommend using less milk than you normally would in order to strengthen the taste of the powders and give the milk a thicker consistency. For an even tastier treat, I've found that adding brown sugar and cinnamon to my shakes makes them absolutely irresistable.

:claplow:


Has anyone tried the vanilla Nitrean?

Any plans for a weight gainer? Or just tips for adding carbs to opticen? Currently I'm adding some oats.

I just truly realized yesterday the effect that ETS is having on me. I just started lifting again and went straight on ETS. I usually workout in the evening and go to bed soon after. I haven't felt any soreness, so been wondering if it's all due to ETS, Earlier I felt it consistently on the second day. Yesterday I did my workout in the morning, Just a few hours afterwards I felt it. So I guess I'm usually sleeping it off. Now I'm wondering if this means that I can decrease my rest periods before repeating the same muscle groups.

It is the ETS which is having the effects you are noting as that is exactly what it does.

How long are your current rest periods between body parts?

Chris

It is the ETS which is having the effects you are noting as that is exactly what it does.

How long are your current rest periods between body parts?

Chris

Jepp, Im quite sure ETS is the single supplement that have done exactly what it says in such a noticable maner. Usually it's so many factors so I'm never quite sure what's doing the job, but feeling sore just a few hours after training really blew me away.

7 days usually. I'm doing 4 weight days over the week as a rule, but I insert the 3 rest days (or cardio) whenever I feel like it.

So, 7 days between body parts, correct?

If so, then give 6 days a try and I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I don't recommend radical changes, just gradual to see at what point you reach diminishing returns.

Got any of those snazzy shirts (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php/newsdesk_id/32) left? :)

I've been using ETS for a couple of months now, and I absolutely love it. From what I've read in this thread, it looks like I'll be ordering some Nitrean in a couple weeks when my current supply of protein runs out!

Thanks for the excellent supplements.

Got any of those snazzy shirts (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php/newsdesk_id/32) left? :)

I've been using ETS for a couple of months now, and I absolutely love it. From what I've read in this thread, it looks like I'll be ordering some Nitrean in a couple weeks when my current supply of protein runs out!

Thanks for the excellent supplements.


Thank YOU for your testimonial.

Sometime in the next couple of months we are going to start offering the shirts for sale on the site. Prior to that we are working on getting shaker cups. We should have them available within a month or so (need to select which type first and then get them produced).

Well a couple weeks is about up, so it's time for some protein. :) Just ordered a tub of vanilla Nitrean and an ETS refill. Can't wait to give the Nitrean a try. Thanks again!

Let us know how you like the Nitrean. I just got my latest order this week too. :) YAY! :drool:

Well a couple weeks is about up, so it's time for some protein. :) Just ordered a tub of vanilla Nitrean and an ETS refill. Can't wait to give the Nitrean a try. Thanks again!


You are more than welcome!

Hi Chris,
Are there any current discounts, coupons, sales offered to JSF members? I am thinking of trying ETS and perhaps some of your other products. Thanks,
GH

Hi Chris,
Are there any current discounts, coupons, sales offered to JSF members? I am thinking of trying ETS and perhaps some of your other products. Thanks,
GH

No, not at the moment. We do run specials from time to time and I will be sure to mention them here when that does occur.

That said, we truly feel our products are very reasonably priced especially when their quality and efficacy is considered.

Thanks for the response.

That said, we truly feel our products are very reasonably priced especially when their quality and efficacy is considered.
I didn't mean to imply that they weren't. I just would hate to have ordered and find out later that there was current special running.

Just wanted to post and say that I found another great use for Nitrean, albeit not an everyday use.

I just had my wisdom teeth out this morning (yay for being swollen, poor, and unable to work out), and I was supposed to be on a purely liquid diet today, and nothing but soft foods for the next few days.

While I've seen friends get theirs out and then eat milkshakes and ice cream for days, it's really nice to know that I can simply blend up some Nitrean, fat free milk, flax oil, and a couple of eggs and have a very healthy, nutritious drink that's also easy on my fragile, healing mouth.

In other news, I'm starting to plan my next supplement orders, and I've decided to quite using my ATW Hydrolyzed Whey. While I believe it's effective, it's also expensive and tastes like complete and utter ass. I end up having to load up my shake with tons of stuff just to get it down, and I feel like I'm going to puke every time. I don't like the idea of my PWO shake being the worst part of my day, so I'm going to switch over to using just Nitrean during the day, and Nitrean along with ATW Micellar Casein before bed.

I'm also planning on ordering some Thermocin as soon as I make my next order for ETS in a couple of weeks. I'll make sure to post and let you guys now how it works for me.

Just wanted to post and say that I found another great use for Nitrean, albeit not an everyday use.

I just had my wisdom teeth out this morning (yay for being swollen, poor, and unable to work out), and I was supposed to be on a purely liquid diet today, and nothing but soft foods for the next few days.

While I've seen friends get theirs out and then eat milkshakes and ice cream for days, it's really nice to know that I can simply blend up some Nitrean, fat free milk, flax oil, and a couple of eggs and have a very healthy, nutritious drink that's also easy on my fragile, healing mouth.

In other news, I'm starting to plan my next supplement orders, and I've decided to quite using my ATW Hydrolyzed Whey. While I believe it's effective, it's also expensive and tastes like complete and utter ass. I end up having to load up my shake with tons of stuff just to get it down, and I feel like I'm going to puke every time. I don't like the idea of my PWO shake being the worst part of my day, so I'm going to switch over to using just Nitrean during the day, and Nitrean along with ATW Micellar Casein before bed.

I'm also planning on ordering some Thermocin as soon as I make my next order for ETS in a couple of weeks. I'll make sure to post and let you guys now how it works for me.


Good stuff, thanks for sharing!

Our sponsored teen (now no longer a teen) bodybuilder Chase Sullivan-Doyle used a nearly all liquid Nitrean and Opticen diet for about 3 months prior to his last contest (I do not recommend this). Your post reminded me of that.

Well, I just bought the ETS, Creatine, and Nitrean supplements up here in Canada. Figured I spent a fortune on trainer + gym + food to get healthy, why not see if this stuff helps. Oh yes, and the nice CND $$ exchange rate :-).

Well, I just bought the ETS, Creatine, and Nitrean supplements up here in Canada. Figured I spent a fortune on trainer + gym + food to get healthy, why not see if this stuff helps. Oh yes, and the nice CND $$ exchange rate :-).

Lol, cool, thanks! :tu:

Hey Chris, Got a little excited and ordered Opticen a little early even tho I have not finished my surge just yet, but will probably be finished with it when Opticen gets here, I can't wait! :spaz:

About to order my third installment of Opticen and second of ETS. Both are great stuff! I'm still pondering whether I want to use creatine (I never have and see great gains without it) -- if I ever say yes then I'll probably buy AtLarge's based on my satisfaction with their other products. ;)

I'm using creatine for the last two weeks.. and probably only really used it 2-3 times because I workout only 3 times a week but anyway..Last Thursday I saw my lifts go up between 10-25% depending on the machines... like machine bicep curl go from 80lbs to 100lbs and if it would of had a 5lbs increments maybe 105
Machine Chest Press from 160 to 180
setting calf raises went from a 5 X45lbs = 225 plus the arm to a 6 x 45lbs = 270lbs plus arm..
and I'm only using 2-3g before workouts.. and only every other day....

SO give Creatine a shot :)

Thanks for the props chicanerous and for the repeat business!

CASD, I too have experienced nice progress with creatine.

Thanks for the props chicanerous and for the repeat business!

CASD, I too have experienced nice progress with creatine.


Damn Chris, that delivery was fast. (and just in the nick of time too). I ran out of Nitrean yesterday and received my shipment today. Whew!!!
My son's got a game in the AM and depends on his protein boost. He will no longer settle for ON. I knew I should've kept the Nitrean a secret. :lol:

By the way, thanx for the note. I just love that "personal" touch!!!!! :tu:

Just got your 15% off email......:) I'll place another order mon.. Maybe I'll get smarter then time and get it all the first time... Yep I'm the guy in Idaho that placed an order two days in a row :D...
My Creatine is dated.. like 3 + years old So I"m order that ..The Thermocin and maybe Opticen , Not sure about it as I'm low carb'ing it right now , Might be able to use it for my pre-workout meal.. for weight day,

Just got your 15% off email......:) I'll place another order mon.. Maybe I'll get smarter then time and get it all the first time... Yep I'm the guy in Idaho that placed an order two days in a row :D...
My Creatine is dated.. like 3 + years old So I"m order that ..The Thermocin and maybe Opticen , Not sure about it as I'm low carb'ing it right now , Might be able to use it for my pre-workout meal.. for weight day,
Haha, I just saw the 15% off deal and ended up ordering again too. That's two orders in one day. ;)

Haha, I just saw the 15% off deal and ended up ordering again too. That's two orders in one day. ;)
Man, I just got this email too, and I've got a few weeks worth of Nitrean in my kitchen.

May have to go ahead and order for future use!

By the way, thank you for that email and the offer Chris!

Man, I just got this email too, and I've got a few weeks worth of Nitrean in my kitchen.

May have to go ahead and order for future use!

By the way, thank you for that email and the offer Chris!

I litereally just got my order of Opticen and Nitrean in two days ago...


What the hell, I'll place another order.

I litereally just got my order of Opticen and Nitrean in two days ago...


What the hell, I'll place another order.


I'm sorry, we just decided to do it. Thanks again!

Can I provide my email somewhere at the website to get these deals also?

EDIT: nevermind, I see it's for everyone.

Yes, the deal is for everyone. For those that missed today's daily news update (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/oct_2005_news_archive.php#10292005), here is part of it:

AtLarge Nutrition is running a scary special over the Halloween weekend! Today through October 31st they are offering 15% off all orders! (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php/newsdesk_id/40) Now's a great time to stock up on ETS and their other excellent products. With 15% off everything, don't forget to put The Road To The Arnold (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php/products_id/7) DVD in your cart before you checkout! To get the coupon code click here (http://www.atlargenutrition.com/newsdesk_info.php/newsdesk_id/40).

15% off?

Damn. My bank account is going to kill me.

Can Opticen be used as your pre-workout meal ?

Can Opticen be used as your pre-workout meal ?

Absolutely!

Chris- thanks for the 15% off! I just placed my first order with you for Nitrean, ETS, and Creatine. I can't wait to get the stuff. (Even though you recommended I don't use supplements!)

I'm especially excited about the ETS because my elbow and wrist joints have been hurting a little lately but I want to keep up my current training volume and frequency.

My question is: I'm currently taking Creative Labs Green Bulge (CEE) pre-workout. Will it benefit me to use your creatine monohydrate in my PWO Nitrean shake and still use the CEE preworkout?

Also I have a hold on a credit card I initially tried to use but couldn't get to process. I ended up completing the order with another card. I just want to make sure this is normal and the hold will be lifted. I do not want to receive a double order. I'm already gonna have to pay a big customs duty to have it brought into the Bahamas!

I just placed my order...
Multi-Plus
Opticen
Thermocin ...
Saved a scary $12 ... :D

Chris- thanks for the 15% off! I just placed my first order with you for Nitrean, ETS, and Creatine. I can't wait to get the stuff. (Even though you recommended I don't use supplements!)

I'm especially excited about the ETS because my elbow and wrist joints have been hurting a little lately but I want to keep up my current training volume and frequency.

My question is: I'm currently taking Creative Labs Green Bulge (CEE) pre-workout. Will it benefit me to use your creatine monohydrate in my PWO Nitrean shake and still use the CEE preworkout?

Also I have a hold on a credit card I initially tried to use but couldn't get to process. I ended up completing the order with another card. I just want to make sure this is normal and the hold will be lifted. I do not want to receive a double order. I'm already gonna have to pay a big customs duty to have it brought into the Bahamas!

Yes, if the credit card is declined for any reason it is normal for there to be a hold on the amount of the attempted transaction. This usually occurs when there is an "AVS mismatch" which is when the billing address on file for your credit card does not match the billing address you used for your account in our system.

PM me your full name so I can verify the order did go through.

You are welcome for the discount and I appreciate the business.

I would not recommend combining creatine products as you don't want to use an overall excessive amount. 5g per day is sufficient.

Chris

I just placed my order...
Multi-Plus
Opticen
Thermocin ...
Saved a scary $12 ... :D


That IS scary for our bottome line! :D

Lol, we do appreciate the business!

Chris

We just wanted to drop you a quick note about a server problem we had today 10/30/05.

Due to a timing issue all credit card orders were not able to be processed and thus any order you might have tried to place was not allowed to complete.

We have corrected the problem and you can now place orders as usual. Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience and feel free to place your orders!

Chris Mason and Daniel Clough
AtLarge Nutrition, LLC

:lol: when I clicked on the link up came the page with the textt with info about the coupon code and thei mage that said "You can enter a coupon code here" but no coupon code!?!
I kept thinking the link came up wrong or the link didn't work. I went to the previous days' archive, I turned off my Norton Internet Security, etc. etc.
So I finally decided to come on here to let you know that the code wasn't coming up when, lo and behold! I decided to read the whole text carefully (instead of just scanning through it) and in the middle of the middle sentance (the only part I didn't read) it said type in the word "scary". :lol:

Now, I am just posting to let you know you might want to put something like:

"Discount Coupon Code= scary"

in big, black bold letters for sleepy heads like me in the AM who can't see or type straight... :p :lol:

I placed an order over the weekend and got the email about the orders not going through. Now when I try to re-place my order, I cannot use the coupon code anymore because it says I've already used it. Anything to get around this and am I sure my order did not go through?

I placed an order over the weekend and got the email about the orders not going through. Now when I try to re-place my order, I cannot use the coupon code anymore because it says I've already used it. Anything to get around this and am I sure my order did not go through?

That means your order probably went through.

PM me your real name and I will double check.

Wow.

That's about all I can say right now. My shipment came during my workout, and I'm enjoying my first Nitrean PWO shake right now. I am absolutely blown away. This is really the best tasting protein I've ever had.

It mixed extremely well, and tastes fantastic. I really couldn't be happier.

Well, maybe if I was allowed to have seconds. :drool:

Thanks again for your hard work and dedication to great products and service, Chris and everyone at AtLarge!

Wow.

That's about all I can say right now. My shipment came during my workout, and I'm enjoying my first Nitrean PWO shake right now. I am absolutely blown away. This is really the best tasting protein I've ever had.

It mixed extremely well, and tastes fantastic. I really couldn't be happier.

Well, maybe if I was allowed to have seconds. :drool:

Thanks again for your hard work and dedication to great products and service, Chris and everyone at AtLarge!

No problem! Thanks for your opinion.

By the way, I noticed you live in Arizona. I will be heading out to the Scottsdale/Phoenix area later this week.

Chris

Yea I had my first Nitrean shake a couple hours ago... Who needs milk with this :D Excellent !

I will be heading out to the Scottsdale/Phoenix area later this week.


Be sure to take in a cheat meal at In-N-Out (http://www.in-n-out.com/) while you're in the area. That's my favorite part about driving through Phoenix. :lol: I'm about an hour and a half south in Tucson.

Enjoy the 80 degree weather! :tucool:

Hey Chris,

I had placed a order of creatine on saturday the 29th, the order has been recorded as shipped and the money has been taken out of my account, but... Sunday, the following day, I received this email:

"We just wanted to drop you a quick note about a server problem we had today
10/30/05.

Due to a timing issue all credit card orders were not able to be processed and
thus any order you might have tried to place was not allowed to complete.

We have corrected the problem and you can now place orders as usual. Please
accept our apologies for the inconvenience and feel free to place your orders!

Chris Mason and Daniel Clough
AtLarge Nutrition, LLC"



So I'm confused if my order really went through or not? Any way to check? :d_confuse

Hey Chris,

I had placed a order of creatine on saturday the 29th, the order has been recorded as shipped and the money has been taken out of my account, but... Sunday, the following day, I received this email:

"We just wanted to drop you a quick note about a server problem we had today
10/30/05.

Due to a timing issue all credit card orders were not able to be processed and
thus any order you might have tried to place was not allowed to complete.

We have corrected the problem and you can now place orders as usual. Please
accept our apologies for the inconvenience and feel free to place your orders!

Chris Mason and Daniel Clough
AtLarge Nutrition, LLC"



So I'm confused if my order really went through or not? Any way to check? :d_confuse


If the money went through it was ok.

I can check for sure if you can PM me your real name this evening.

Chris

I got my order through the mail today. It was nice and fast, especially since it came all the way to Canada. Great service! And now I can hardly wait to try em out!

Oh yeah, and I didn't have to pay any evil customs guys a dime! That's good news.

The customs charges are why we us USPS. We were told it would help.

Thanks for mentioning the speed of our service!:lol:

Been taking Thermocin for a few days now, and I must say this stuff is like crack! I feel like I'm getting more out of my cardio workouts (lots of energy and buckets of sweat) and I find myself with an overall higher energy level for most of my day following my morning cardio.

Excellent product! I will definitely be ordering again when this bottle runs out. I'll also be sending an order your way soon for more Nitrean and ETS!

Been taking Thermocin for a few days now, and I must say this stuff is like crack! I feel like I'm getting more out of my cardio workouts (lots of energy and buckets of sweat) and I find myself with an overall higher energy level for most of my day following my morning cardio.

Excellent product! I will definitely be ordering again when this bottle runs out. I'll also be sending an order your way soon for more Nitrean and ETS!


Excellent! Thank you for expressing your opinion and for your patronage!

I just got my first order today. Nitrean, Creatine, and ETS. Just had my first Nitrean shake with whole milk and it was delicious! I'm switching to water but I wanted to try it with milk first. I can't wait to try out the other 2 supps.:tucool:

I tried Nitrean for the first time this weekend and I also must state that Nitrean + Milk is delicious!! It's like really really good chocolate milk! With water it's got a different taste then the ON Chocolate, but it's not bad. I hated ON Chocolate flavor.

Also, a big plus is that Nitrean mixes very very well whether it's by itself, with flax oil, or with dextrose. No clumps! After I finish off the rest of my ON, I do not plan to buy anymore and just stick to Nitrean.

Thanks for your opinions guys!

If you will allow me to be a bit immodest for a moment I would like to say that your reaction to Nitrean is the norm. Those who try it love it!

As we grow more and more people will discover it and realize it is truly one of the best protein products on the market.

Enough of that! Thanks again!

I'm interested to know about the Multi-Plus vitamin product that you're offering. I noticed that it doesn't have a whole bunch of vitamins and minerals like 1-A-Day brand vitamins for example. That's not a problem, however, what vitamins/minerals are recommended in conjunction with Multi-Plus?

I'm interested to know about the Multi-Plus vitamin product that you're offering. I noticed that it doesn't have a whole bunch of vitamins and minerals like 1-A-Day brand vitamins for example. That's not a problem, however, what vitamins/minerals are recommended in conjunction with Multi-Plus?


I would recommend none. I purposely formulated Multi-Plus with significant doses of the vitamins and minerals I feel are important for the weight trained athlete to consume is proper quantity.

I very consciously avoided the "everthing but the kitchen sink" approach most multi products use.

I'm not sure if anyones tried this, but I took half chocolate and half vanilla opticen for a meal today and it had a very good taste.

Yep, you can do the same thing with Nitrean for a tasty treat!

I had a question about Nitrean. I've read conflicting reports about absorption rates when whey is mixed with casein. Some suggest that the presence of casein doesn't slow down the rapid absorption of whey, whereas other things I've read suggests that it does. Obviously, what I am getting at is that Nitrean contains a blend of whey, egg, and casein proteins, so I was wondering whether the presence of those "slower acting" proteins makes it less ideal for PWO (when rapid absorption is what you want), and more suited for a between meal protein source.

I am actually looking for both ... as I am almost out of protein, and am considering Nitrean for my next order.

I've never heard that advocated at all. Honestly, I never even considered that that was the point of it. It was my understanding that the advantage of consuming a blend is so you get different types of protein that digest at different speeds, not to try and change the speed of one particular type of protein. To my knowledge the only thing that can slow fat absorption is consuming fats at the same time.

Obviously Chris can give us all the 100% answer, though.

I've never heard that advocated at all. Honestly, I never even considered that that was the point of it. It was my understanding that the advantage of consuming a blend is so you get different types of protein that digest at different speeds, not to try and change the speed of one particular type of protein. To my knowledge the only thing that can slow fat absorption is consuming fats at the same time.

Obviously Chris can give us all the 100% answer, though.

Perhaps my question wasn't all that clear. I wasn't referring to fats or anything, just protein. Basically, the advantage of whey PWO is that it is absorbed and enters the bloodstream within about 20 mins, and reaches peak levels within about 60 mins. This makes it ideal for PWO because it gets protein to your muscles when they are in a highly sensitive state. Now some people (including Berardi) have suggested that in blends, casein clumps in the gut and also slows the rate at which whey is absorbed, thereby eliminating the PWO protein spike. See what I mean? Others have suggested that casein does not have this effect, and that whey is still absorbed very quickly into the bloodstream.

If the former is true, then it would suggest that a blend might not be ideal PWO, but would work rather well as a between meal supplement. If the latter is true, then it would be very good PWO because you could have the best of all worlds.

So, I am thinking of getting Nitrean for my next order, but am wondering whether I should just use Nitrean between meals, and use pure whey PWO....or whether nitrean can be used for both. I figure some (including Chris Mason) probably have some good and informed opinions on this.

I am probably over-analyzing a bit, but I have always wondered about that, and when I research the subject, conflicting answers seem to emerge.

Edit: Maybe this will make it clearer. From John Berardi's "protein roundtable". http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proroundtable.htm

A quote:

Remember that in the study, blood amino acid levels with whey were still greater than casein after two hours. So by taking a big dose of whey immediately after the workout, you're going to flood the body with aminos and this rise will stay up for about two hours, reaching levels higher than casein can. Then at the two hour mark, if you eat some other protein meal, you're set up for the day. I really think, though, that you need that infusion of aminos that whey can give right after the workout.

The next question is, why not whey and casein together? Well, combining whey and casein might lead to a slowing of whey absorption. In this case you'd be missing out on some of the protein synthesis that you could get otherwise. Personally, I mix up a 50 gram whey shake and bring it to the gym with me. Immediately after my training I drink it down. Then, about 60 to 90 minutes later, I take in about 50 grams of casein (cottage cheese) with a bunch of carbs. Fair enough?

Perhaps my question wasn't all that clear. I wasn't referring to fats or anything, just protein. Basically, the advantage of whey PWO is that it is absorbed and enters the bloodstream within about 20 mins, and reaches peak levels within about 60 mins. This makes it ideal for PWO because it gets protein to your muscles when they are in a highly sensitive state. Now some people (including Berardi) have suggested that in blends, casein clumps in the gut and also slows the rate at which whey is absorbed, thereby eliminating the PWO protein spike. See what I mean? Others have suggested that casein does not have this effect, and that whey is still absorbed very quickly into the bloodstream.

If the former is true, then it would suggest that a blend might not be ideal PWO, but would work rather well as a between meal supplement. If the latter is true, then it would be very good PWO because you could have the best of all worlds.

So, I am thinking of getting Nitrean for my next order, but am wondering whether I should just use Nitrean between meals, and use pure whey PWO....or whether nitrean can be used for both. I figure some (including Chris Mason) probably have some good and informed opinions on this.

I am probably over-analyzing a bit, but I have always wondered about that, and when I research the subject, conflicting answers seem to emerge.

Edit: Maybe this will make it clearer. From John Berardi's "protein roundtable". http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proroundtable.htm

A quote:

You're clear, I understand.

I will provide 2 answers:

a) The post-workout window lasts more than a few minutes thus the need for an exceptionally fast acting protein is not what the industry has purported it to be.

b) Your goal with protein supplementation should ALWAYS be to maximize net retention. A blend allows this to occur, thus a blend is optimal for all situations.

Whether or not the casein and egg markedly slow the absorption of whey is arguable and really not an important point.

You're clear, I understand.

I will provide 2 answers:

a) The post-workout window lasts more than a few minutes thus the need for an exceptionally fast acting protein is not what the industry has purported it to be.

b) Your goal with protein supplementation should ALWAYS be to maximize net retention. A blend allows this to occur, thus a blend is optimal for all situations.

Whether or not the casein and egg markedly slow the absorption of whey is arguable and really not an important point.

Hey Chris, thanks for the response! I've got about half a bag of ON left, but given all the good reviews on this thread, I'd definately like to give Nitrean a try for my next order....

Hey Chris, thanks for the response! I've got about half a bag of ON left, but given all the good reviews on this thread, I'd definately like to give Nitrean a try for my next order....

No problem. Thank you for your interest in our product.

Chris

I"m caught up on the PWO also.. some say and isolate..Hydrozied(sp?) or Blend..
I'm almost through my Nitrean and I need to buy some more for my in between meals.. but what is the best for the PWO ? I've been using the Nitrean and like it and just not sure if I should be taking something else with my PWO dex shake... ?
I use the Opticen when I'm to lazy to make dinner :) So it will last me awhile but I'm burning through the Whey

I"m caught up on the PWO also.. some say and isolate..Hydrozied(sp?) or Blend..
I'm almost through my Nitrean and I need to buy some more for my in between meals.. but what is the best for the PWO ? I've been using the Nitrean and like it and just not sure if I should be taking something else with my PWO dex shake... ?
I use the Opticen when I'm to lazy to make dinner :) So it will last me awhile but I'm burning through the Whey


You DO NOT need anything other than Nitrean for PWO.

That does not mean other products don't work, just that Nitrean is as good as it gets (there are other comparable products on the market).

Trust me.

Chris

For the multi-plus it states to take 3 tablets a day.

Can I take all three in the morning or do I need to spread them out throughout the day?

Any Turkey day Specials ??? :D

I'm currently using Opticen as a PWO shake. Is that OK? I've read the entire thread and everyone seems to be using Nitrean instead. My next order will include that as well, but just curious if it's alright to use Opticen PWO in the meantime. Thanks Chris

I'm currently using Opticen as a PWO shake. Is that OK? I've read the entire thread and everyone seems to be using Nitrean instead. My next order will include that as well, but just curious if it's alright to use Opticen PWO in the meantime. Thanks Chris

Opticen is EXCELLENT to use PWO as it has both 52g of protein and 25g of carbs.

For the multi-plus it states to take 3 tablets a day.

Can I take all three in the morning or do I need to spread them out throughout the day?

All at once is fine.

Any Turkey day Specials ??? :D


No, just the same quality products at a reasonable price and the best customer service available :tu: .

Ok no problem..I need to buy some Nitrean and didn't want to place the order and then a special comes into effect :)

Ok no problem..I need to buy some Nitrean and didn't want to place the order and then a special comes into effect :)


Gotcha! Let me say I appreciate the order in advance!

Chris

Thank you Chris for the nice Happy Thanksgiving e-newsletter! You guys are top-notch over there. :tucool:

Opticen is EXCELLENT to use PWO as it has both 52g of protein and 25g of carbs.
Interesting. Don't know why I never looked into this product. Looks like a good pro/carb meal.

Couple questions if you don't mind.

Opticen is also a protein blend like Nitrean, right?

Do most of those carbs come from maltodextrin?

I am going to order more Nitrean this week, I will grab a tub of this too along with that Powerlifting DVD. :)

Interesting. Don't know why I never looked into this product. Looks like a good pro/carb meal.

Couple questions if you don't mind.

Opticen is also a protein blend like Nitrean, right?

***Yes, the exact same blend.

Do most of those carbs come from maltodextrin?

***Yes.

I am going to order more Nitrean this week, I will grab a tub of this too along with that Powerlifting DVD. :)

Cool! The DVD is really neat, I am sure you will enjoy it. Like I said before, anyone who benches should enjoy the video.

You are welcome for the Thanksgiving email as well.

mmmmmm So Opticen With some Dextrose(to bounce the carb's up to 70-80g) Would make a great PWO Shake then? ..:confused: :tucool:

mmmmmm So Opticen With some Dextrose(to bounce the carb's up to 70-80g) Would make a great PWO Shake then? ..:confused: :tucool:
If your pwo meal is anything like mine, it's sure looking that way.

FWIW - My current PWO shake includes:

Nitrean
BCAA
Dextrose
Maltodextrin
Water

Just tried the OPticen w/dex as a PWO meal I think i need to added more water.. :P (Think cake batter :) need more water then 10 ounces :eek:

Just tried the OPticen w/dex as a PWO meal I think i need to added more water.. :P (Think cake batter :) need more water then 10 ounces :eek:

Lol, yep! I dilute mine like crazy. I go about 8 oz. for every 30g scoop. For me that makes a very nice consistency.