Okay i've been dosing with Ephedra and Caffiene since jan 13.

I've been on it going on two weeks. First week... one dose a day... second week... 2 doses a day. dose = one pill of bronchaid and one pill of nodoz.

also on the second week i started adding green tea pills to the dose.

sometimes i would add asprin... but most of the time not.


so... my question is.... should i not dose any for this coming week and then the following week hit 2 doses like before? if not then what should i do? thanks.

anyone?

Aspirin is not needed. There is no resaon to cycle your EC/Green Tea stack (ie, 2 weeks on, 1 week off). Dosage depends on your tolerance level but one would normally take it only up to 3 times per day.

no need to cycle EC? are you sure?

Everything I have read said to cycle the ECA. I always heard 5 days on 2 days off.

If you don't your body would start compensating for the effects, they said.

Tried ECA and didn't like the jitters/heart racing feeling & the intense cravings and hunger I would feel once the effect wore off.

-Allen

Interesting. I have read that the longer you're on EC the more effective it becomes. You become used to the feeling and the feeling diminishes but it is still as effective as when you first started. As far as cycling, it all depends on your tolerance for the stuff. If you start feeling fried or whatever, then stop using it for a while.

I can take it and it doesn't give me the jitters. In fact, I barely feel it at all. I have checked my BP and it is not affected nor is my heart rate. This is using the 20mg E/200mg Caffeine stack up to 3X per day. I no longer take it simply because it makes my wife happy.

By the way, make sure that you're properly hydrated - ie, drink plenty of water when you take the EC stack.

your CNS will get use to the ephedra.

its fat loss affects will remain the same.

taking something more than 2-3 times a WEEK is enough for your body to adapt to a stimulant

Would be nice to have more of a consensus. 1 for and 2 against cycling.


kross, hows it working for you so far? I've just started,. second day on 8mg eph and I dont feel as crappy as I did yesterday. Eventually I may bump up my dosage to 16mg 2x/day, but I get the feeling that I'm pretty sensitive to it.

What I have learned

It is an ECA, not EC. You need the aspirin.

And that it doens't need to be cycled until you have used it for an extended period of time. On for 60 days off for two weeks and back on.

what's the effect of the asprin?


i have some ec but not the asprin. if i take normal dosage [ie 200mg c and 8-16mg e] i feel okay. today i felt a little weird working out but that was because I didnt eat properly..well i did, it was just the timing of my last meal before my workout. second i got home and had a shake i was fine. i think my blood sugar levels were messed up.

but i personally like the fact that It gets me focused, and sort of alert while not making me all crazy. and dont have to drink black coffee not that i dont like it, just stains the teeth i hear lol.

but yes be sure to drink water! and eating right is totally important too I feel.

Other posts here reported that the Asprin is intended to lenghten the effects of the caffein, but that its usefullness had been overestimated, and is really unnessisary.

Sox, is this something you read, or something you learned firsthand?

I'm more comfortable not taking asprin every day. EC is bad enough. Although I have just started yesterday and have no experience with ECA.your CNS will get use to the ephedra.

its fat loss affects will remain the same.When my CNS adapts, will my heart rate go down? Its been kinda high.

i think it will adapt somewhat, but whenever it is taken. it while have an impact on the heart. considering its a stimulant, and its going to increase the oxygen level in your blood, your heart is going to have to work faster to get the oxygenated blood through your body.

i use to take ephedrine and caffiene.. sure it worked. but sometimes the side affects of not taking it before a workout are noticeable and can be bothersome to me at times. so i just said the heck with it, and threw it out.

i use to take ephedrine and caffiene.. sure it worked. but sometimes the side affects of not taking it before a workout are noticeable and can be bothersome to me at times. so i just said the heck with it, and threw it out.Mind elaborating a bit?

You were comfortable taking it before a workout, but not without? So why not just take it before workouts?

okay i've been off of it for 2 days now.

now i hear i dont need to be off of it.... damn... im confused.

today i lifted without it and damn.... i was doing a piss poor job at lifting. i definitly ate enough carbs 2 hours before i lifted... i ate a lot of chinese food by the way. maybe thats why too... not sure... but i noticed i wasnt as explosive as i was before and i never felt so sluggish while on the EC.


my body adapts to the EC just fine. Im wondering if i could raise it up to a 3 doses a day now.

i havent had an palpatations or anything abnormal in the negative sector.... all positive so far.

whenever i took ephedrine before a workout. i could definatly notice more energy and concentration.

ephedrine works on the CNS, it stimulates it directly. allowing more oxygen to flow and be utilized results in greater workout capacity. i was able to do 2 more reps, or 5-10lbs more when taking it VS without taking.

and when i didnt take it, it was as if i had lost strength.. but really i didnt. it was the result of my CNS not being directly stimulated by a drug.. so in the long run, id rather see the gains i get come directly from my training and nutition, vs a stimulant

okay i've been off of it for 2 days now.

now i hear i dont need to be off of it.... damn... im confused.

today i lifted without it and damn.... i was doing a piss poor job at lifting. i definitly ate enough carbs 2 hours before i lifted... i ate a lot of chinese food by the way. maybe thats why too... not sure... but i noticed i wasnt as explosive as i was before and i never felt so sluggish while on the EC.

this is what i experianced. and in somewhat played mind games on me, like i wasnt doing something right. but that was not the case. i was doing everything right. its just that ephedrine acts on the CNS and will increase your performance, and when you go off of it. that will a disapear. so i just decided to go off it completely.

my body adapts to the EC just fine. Im wondering if i could raise it up to a 3 doses a day now.

i havent had an palpatations or anything abnormal in the negative sector.... all positive so far.

in my honest opinion.. i would just drop it all together. it is a safe thing to use, provided your in good health and know what you are doing. the claims of ephedrine being harmful is complete BS. its only harmful to people who abuse it and have no idea what they are doing.

i would limit it to using it on cardio days in the morning for maximum fat loss benefit.

Sox, is this something you read, or something you learned firsthand?


This is what I have read in my research. I have used ECA's in two different ways.

First I made my own stack with Ephedra, Caffeine pills, & Aspirin.
Then I also took Hydorxicuts wh ECA. I had good results with both. And I just read that isn't the same without the aspirin. I have looked for what I read, but couldn't find it.

I will look a little more.

why limit its use to just fasted cardio, versus 2x or 3x / day?

If you get the same results whether your body is used to it or not, why make yourself jittery for the cardio, instead of all the time?

it makes sense if you dont want to be 'hyper' the rest of the time, but if that isnt an issue, why not?

yeah i seem not to be affected by that "jittery" deal that everyone talks about. i seem to be less mellow (which is a natural charectheristic of mine... im an artist) when im on EC.

the only time i see a dramatic effect of the EC is when im lifting or doing cardio.

yeah i seem not to be affected by that "jittery" deal that everyone talks about. i seem to be less mellow (which is a natural charectheristic of mine... im an artist) when im on EC.I had really bad jitters the first day, but now (day 4) they're mostly gone. I do feel a little strange mentally while on EC, a little uncalm, but its not a big deal.

I just realized both our sigs feature Chris Cornell :tucool:

really, i felt nothing. never have