Ok, what are your thoughts on milk.

I used to be so obsessive about not using milk that I would use water on my cereal. After the redicule got too much for me, I started using small amounts of 0%

I then jumped on the soy milk wagon for 6 months or so.

When I moved in with my boyfriend I switched to 2%, to accomodate for his preference. But since regaining shopping veto powers I've started buying 1%

PHEW! Thats way too many types to keep up with. What type am I best to use if I want to lose weight? I consume maybe 2 1/2 cups a day. Should I have more? Less?

if you can tolerate dairy, go for it, some people cant, so its really up to your body!

alot of people say it gives you "thick skin" which it probly does do by making you hold more water, however if you dont wanna get totally shredded, and your goals involve general lean-ness, i see no problem in using it if you enjoy it

Ok, what are your thoughts on milk.
Should I have more? Less?

Looking back, I realize my day revolved around dairy - when I was cutting! Ack! I was drinking about 16oz of skim milk a day, 2 yogurts (low fat) and 250g of low fat cottage cheese.

I've since cut out the yogurt, and only have about 6oz of skim milk at night with my whey.

You have to consider that while milk does have some protein in it, there's quite a bit of sugar in there.

Others may disagree, but IMHO dairy while cutting is not ideal. I'd suggest no more than 8oz of skim milk a day and maybe 125g of cottage cheese at night (slow absorbing protein...and a great snack!).

Hope this helps.

Ken

I've cut out all dairy and feel better for it, more energy.

Milk in Coffee was the hardest thing to stop.

Can someone explain why dairy is not good for a clean diet? Is it the sugar as someone mentioned? or some other things as well? I'm very curious as my diet has a heavy dairy component: milk, yogurt, cottage cheese.

For those off dairy, what is your main source of Ca?

I use 1/2 cup Fat Free Milk with my protein cause I just cant stomach it with water. It has no fat, low sugar, and decent protein. If its something thats hurting my diet i'll have to make exceptions elsewhere because like I said Water and protein mix just dont cut it for me.

This is a good thread about dairy:

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=2631

I usually take in 1-2 cups of skim milk per day, then some atkins yogurt or cottege cheese, and one slice of fat free cheese. People will tell you that's too much, and it may be, but I still do it, and still see results.

Can someone explain why dairy is not good for a clean diet? Is it the sugar as someone mentioned? or some other things as well? I'm very curious as my diet has a heavy dairy component: milk, yogurt, cottage cheese.

For those off dairy, what is your main source of Ca?

Well, for me I just concentrated on getting the amounts of ptroein/carbs/fats I wanted and yougurt and milk just didn't fit into that. Cereal in the morning was one of my biggest wastes of calories and way too many carbs. Rally just 'crap food' that I cut out even for bulking.

Yogurt I eat while maintaining/bulking with protein powder and Kashi cereal, but again for cutting I'd rather have those cabs in fruit and veg.

Cottage cheese is great.

Milk and yogurt have low GI, but will spike insulin, so they are not ideal in that sense and, if eaten, should probably be consumed with plenty of protein and fats (like NOT with cereal).

I suppliment with Calcium and Magnesium tablets.

BTW as you consume less calcium you body gets more and more efficient in both absorption and useage. In addition the evidence that low calcium causes osteoporosis is, IMO, shaky at best and a con by the dairy industry at worst. I have similar feelings about the 'dairy helps fat loss' think going on, but that is perhaps a different matter.

If you really want to get cut fast, meat, fruit, veg and good fats should be your staples, everything else is 'fluf'.

EDIT:I just read Jeremy's reply in the above link, and as you can probably guess I think it is pretty much spot on. Just to note though - , I have never had a problem with dairy and continue to eat cheese while cutting.

Milk and yogurt have low GI, but will spike insulin, so they are not ideal in that sense and, if eaten, should probably be consumed with plenty of protein and fats (like NOT with cereal).


I thought this is precisely the reason why you SHOULD NOT eat fats with carbs. :d_confuse

I have about 1 cup (usually less, about .75 cup) of Plain organic soymilk with my cereal in the morning. 1 cup has 80 calories, 4g fat (.5g sat), 4g carbs (1g fiber, 1g sugar), and 7g protein.

Currently I eat cottage and hard cheeses for the protein, but avoid liquid milk and yoghurt. If I were bulking I might make room for them, although I have a very mild dairy intolerance.

Cheese is a must... I like to eat this swedish cheese which has only healthy vegetable oil fats! (30g protein, 17g fat, ~0g carbs /100g :) ) Sounds just too great to me, can't see why I would have to cease cheese eating.

I don't know about milk, but personally I think that the protein coming from it defeats the cons (if you're having hard time consuming enough protein).

~dairy addict~

I've cut out all dairy and feel better for it, more energy.

Milk in Coffee was the hardest thing to stop.

Coffee SUCKS without it! :nod: You know it too. I can't see how so little amounts of milk could hurt you (if you'd drink milk only with coffee).

Coffee SUCKS without it! :nod: You know it too. I can't see how so little amounts of milk could hurt you (if you'd drink milk only with coffee).

Used to be that the only way I could enjoy coffee was with 2 creams and 2 sugars (hence the shuddering 'double-double').

I have enjoyed black coffee for 1 year (probably to the day!), and could never, EVER go back to putting cream or sugar in anything again.

It's an acquired taste, but ultimately one you will learn to embrace.

Ken

I thought this is precisely the reason why you SHOULD NOT eat fats with carbs. :d_confuse

I have about 1 cup (usually less, about .75 cup) of Plain organic soymilk with my cereal in the morning. 1 cup has 80 calories, 4g fat (.5g sat), 4g carbs (1g fiber, 1g sugar), and 7g protein.

Well I agree, but some would argue that the fat will slow the absorption, reducing the insulin spike, thus improving the situation. But this is the conundrum with milk and yogurt, especially since it is the protein that helps increase the insulin response. So do you just accept you are going to spike your insulin and eat mostly carbs with milk/yogurt or do you add fat to try to blunt the insulin response and risk high insulin and high fat at the same time?? Neither sound great to me, but personally I don't tend to add a lot of fat to my yogurt or milk meals when I do eat them.

Having said all that I would never, ever, drink soymilk regularly. I've seen what large amounts of soy has done to my friends health and I steer clear of that stuff apart from the ocasional power bar or the like. My opinion is that if you are Lactose intolorant, just don't consume dairy. If you think soy is healthy then, well, whatever.

The soy milk looks like it has less sugar than regular milk, so I would guess the insulin response would be much reduced and may be completely different than cow's milk.

Can someone explain why dairy is not good for a clean diet? Is it the sugar as someone mentioned? or some other things as well? I'm very curious as my diet has a heavy dairy component: milk, yogurt, cottage cheese.

For those off dairy, what is your main source of Ca?

I'd have to say that the big reasons are fat, cholesterol and avoiding the hormones present in milk. Another would probably be all the nasty things that get excreted in lactation (anti-biotics that are common use now and pesticide residue [..I think] )

I am completely dairy-free. I buy things like rice milk and almond milk that is fortified with vitamins and minerals. They often say "as much calcium as milk", so it works out pretty well.