I've noticed recently quite a bit of postings about how milk hinders weight loss. I'm not saying that those people are wrong, particularly in the respect that they're refering to lo-carb dieting and the adverse effect the sugar in milk can have on ketogenic diets, but for those of you who are NOT on ketogenic diets, do not ignore milk as an important part of sustaining your weight-loss.

A study released in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in May of 2004 found that "dairy sources of calcium markedly attenuate weight and fat gain and accelerate fat loss to a greater degree than do supplemental sources of calcium." (Zemel Abstract) Also notable was their finding that "diets that include [greater than or equal to] 3 daily servings of dairy products result in significant reductions in adipose tissue mass in obese humans in the absence of caloric restriction and markedly accelerate weight and body fat loss secondary to caloric restriction compared with diets low in dairy products." (Zemel Abstract)

So for those of you that can afford the extra carbs in your diets, be sure to include some dairy products in your calorie allowance.

-Brent Robinson

Reference:
Zemel, Michael B. "Role of calcium and dairy products in energy partitioning and weight management." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, May 2004 v79 i5. p. 907S (6)

I happen to love dairy, but I do have to be objective about this. I've seen it touted in ads that dairy helps with weight loss, but I still wonder 1) How, exactly, milk works to help weight loss, and 2) What else factored into the study... because sometimes these studies produce questionable information due to neglect in the details.

I happen to love dairy, but I do have to be objective about this. I've seen it touted in ads that dairy helps with weight loss, but I still wonder 1) How, exactly, milk works to help weight loss, and 2) What else factored into the study... because sometimes these studies produce questionable information due to neglect in the details.

milk has lots of benefits, but also has some sugar in it. While i myself am extremely meticulous about my diet, it definitely has it's place in others.

Apparently, it's a combination of the calcium, the whey, the vitamin-D, and other compounds in the milk working together. I haven't gone to the library yet to check out the entire study write-up, but here's the abstract for your viewing pleasure:

Edit: The site through which I have access to this research has legal terms that forbid me from re-transmiting any of the content. As such, I cannot post the abstract, nor can I post the entire article. I should emphasize that the journal in which this study was published is widely recognized as an authority in nutritional science. I personally do not question its validity. The abstract explained the contributing factors:

This augmented effect of dairy products relative to supplemental calcium is likely due to additional bioactive compounds, including the angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors and the rich concentration of branched-chain amino acids in whey, which act synergistically with calcium to attenuate adiposity.
COPYRIGHT 2004 American Society for Clinical Nutrition, Inc.

-Brent Robinson

if you can tolerate dairy, have it!
the sugars are lactose, which are much like fructose, they have a low-GI rating so dont worry about them

another good thing about milk....with all the growth hormones they pump into those cows, some of it has to end up in YOU and you know what that means! free anabolic steroids with every gallon purchase!!!!

Alright that was a little sarcastic. I drink milk all the time and I don't feel it hurts me too badly at all. Then again, im not shooting for sub 10% body fat ever. I think milk does get a bad rap. I've also read that the same weight loss/maintenance benefits of milk can be had by consuming yogurt.

another good thing about milk....with all the growth hormones they pump into those cows, some of it has to end up in YOU and you know what that means! free anabolic steroids with every gallon purchase!!!!

:spaz:

For those serious on cutting I've heard that taking a calcium supp provides the same benefits instead of drinking milk since milk has lots of sugars in it.

Maybe for some people, but for myself, I've noticed that I'm somewhat sugar sensitive, so I try to cut it out as much as possible(with the exception of dextrose PWO) so I prefer Unsweetened Silk Soy milk. But hey, if it works for you, more power to you

Jason

Milk is for babies.

:lol:

~SC~

I love the taste of milk, but unfortunatly I have to avoid it at all times for the following reason:

1) Its high in carbs.
2) It bloats me.
3) It contains tons of hormones and antibiotics.

Now, its benefits can be harvested from many other sources. I think the whole "dairy is good for you" is a scam perpetuated by the farm industry.

Think about it for a second, why on earth would it be beneficial for a human to drink what was designed to make a calf grow? It's like trying to get a cat and a dog to mate...

milk is healthy!

don't forget that food is not only for nutricion, its smth you should enjoy as well. too much focus goes to the pure nutricional part.
if you're a bb, and you are following your strict diet to get all lean etc, that's fine, but i enjoy food too; with that milk! :D

Milk is for babies.

:lol:

~SC~
When you grow up you have to drink beer!

:lol:

...
Now, its benefits can be harvested from many other sources. I think the whole "dairy is good for you" is a scam perpetuated by the farm industry...


Funny, I saw that you wrote that and then searched for sources of Dr. Zemel's funding, and what do you know, that study was funded by a Dairy Industry group (http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?A2=ind0004&L=paleofood&F=&S=&P=23784). I still wouldn't doubt the authenticity of the study, however, as the professor is still a tenured prof. of Nutrition at the Univ. of Tennessee, and is obligated to maintain academic credibility. Plus, I can't think of anyone besides a dairy group caring enough about milks effects on weight loss to fund a scientific study on it...

I think when you're trying to rein in your calories, the importance of eliminating liquid sources of calories (milk, juice, soda) is greater than any benefit milk can provide.

When I think about whether a food is good to eat or not for cutting, I always try to ask myself, "Is this food good for my habits or bad for my habits?"

Hey there, I thought I'd chime in even though I'm a newbie, lol.

I've read about a dozen or so studies on dairy and fat loss via the milk website and various other sources.

Although the Dairy Council funded these studies, it's hard to find any research anywhere that wasnt slanted in some way or conducted by scientists and foundations who werent biased. Anyhow, I thought the studies were carried out pretty well. And calcium is an extremely nessecary nutrient. You all know more than anybody (well most people anyway) that the body doesnt function at peak efficiency unless it's provided with adequate nutrients. So getting enough calcium makes sense. One more thing, Dr Zemel didnt start out looking for a link between dairy and fat loss. He stumbled upon this (as most discoveries are often found) when feeding yogurt to patients with hypertension. They unexpectely lost weight.

On that note, the stuff you find in your grocery freezer is hardly nutritious (in my opinion). Most of the cows that provide the milk lead terrible, sad lives. Since they're cooped up with hundreds or thousands of other cows, the dairy industry must innoculate them with loads of antibiotics. And to push production, the cows are constantly pregnant, by artificial insemination and through the use of hormones. There's actually a set limit on how much pus is allowed into the final milk product. In a nutshell, the cow's lives are hardly normal or what nature intended for them.

The worst thing the industry does is pasteurize milk. Yeah, maybe you need it b/c the cows are sick and then make sick milk swimming with bad bacteria. But the fact is, if you have a healthy cow, you will have healthy milk. And raw milk is so dang healthy for you it makes me sad to know it's illegal.

I want to address the notion I've heard many times and at one time believed myself (hey I'm only 20 yrs old, I'm still learning) " Humans are the only species that insist on drinking milk after they've been weaned". That really doesnt make sense to me. How come it's not okay to drink the animal's milk, but it's just fine to eat it's skeletal muscles or organs? Or how about an egg, which is an unfertilized ovum?

Anyway, the next best thing is organic. It makes me feel alot better knowing the cow I got my milk from ran around in the pastures and ate grass and didnt have infected udders.

You can try to find a cow-share program in your state if you look hard enough.

I guess the take home message is that milk is fine ( and may even help) as long as you have your calories in check and everything else is in order.

Okay, sorry it was so long, but I really wanted to share. Please dont think I was trying to be inflammatory.
:d_redface
One more thing about my username--- I'm not a Hippie !! :) I just like the outdoors. :tucool:

I've seen this other push for the dairy industry. It is a billion dollar industry, and the government is happy to jump in since, in the US, it is subsidized, which means the government buys back surplus at the end of the year. So of course, both the industry and the government want people getting lots of dairy.

The truth is that there are plenty of studies to show that calcium balance is the same whether people get small amounts from natural sources (nuts, leafy green vegetables, etc) or large amounts from milk. The key here is large amounts, because milk forces the body to leech calcium to restore the pH balance of the stomach, which means your requirements for calcium ironically go UP when drinking this supposedly magical source of calcium.

In fact, vegans who receive 50% of the calcium in their diet than dairy drinkers (so they only get 1/2 the calcium) actually have the same calcium status (available calcium in their bloodstream) as the milk drinkers. This is thought to be a combination of poorer calcium absorption from dairy and increased calcium demands. (Protein, as well, increases demands for calcium ... because calcium is involved in muscle contraction, perhaps increased muscle mass demands a higher calcium intake as well, although I am not aware of this being studied).

As for milk helping with fat loss, let's look at the real statistics. Americans drink milk. A LOT of it. Yet 2 out of 3 are still overweight.

I believe there are combination of reasons for this. First, milk today is not the milk of yesterday. There are plenty of causes for concern that pasteurization and homogenization are both detrimental to the quality of milk, and that's not even throwing bovine growth hormone into the equation - here's some good information about that:

http://www.realmilk.com/

The other thing is that most people are allergic to it. The assumption is that unless you have stomach pain or breakout in hives, you are not allergic. However, many of the doctors I've consulted with agree that allergies are a continuum - i.e. some people are more allergic than others. Allergies to lactose (milk sugar) or casein (milk protein) are very prevalent with many people assuming they are fine because the only manifestation is water retention or a puffy nose. The concern is that if you are even mildly allergic, your immune system is being CONTINUOUSLY stressed when you continue to consume dairy products, which may create more complications later on. At the suggestion of a few medical doctors who were knowledgeable on the subject, I started recommending my clients learn their reaction to dairy simply by cutting it out completely for 4 weeks. I don't ask that they cut it out forever, simply take a test and cut it out for a month.

Here's what happens - most are so addicted that they simply don't have the willpower to do without dairy for a month, so they make up a ton of excuses to get back onto it. Out of those who actually follow through, they report that a few days into it they receive symptoms similar to having a sinus infection with runny nose, scratchy throat, etc, and intense cravings for the dairy - including pounding headaches that feel like they won't go away unless they have it. Then, after a few weeks, they suddenly lean out in the face (less puffy) and most drop a significant amount of weight - my wife, for example, lost 10 pounds over a month simply by cutting dairy out but not changing her caloric intake at all! Then they report more energy, improved taste, etc.

Needless to say, 9 out of 10 of my clients or friends who I've suggested try this experiment ultimately never go back to dairy.

The dairy industry has effectively brainwashed most into believing a balanced diet must include dairy. Ironic, since we are the only mammal on the planet that concerns ourselves with dairy after we are weaned. There is plenty of calcium and vitamin D in other natural sources, the propaganda about osteoperosis and weight loss is a marketing strategy at best. Resistance training, leafy green vegetables, nuts, and spending 15 minutes in the sun will do far more for calcium and Vitamin D than taking on dairy, in my opinion.

Jeremy

I've noticed recently quite a bit of postings about how milk hinders weight loss. I'm not saying that those people are wrong, particularly in the respect that they're refering to lo-carb dieting and the adverse effect the sugar in milk can have on ketogenic diets, but for those of you who are NOT on ketogenic diets, do not ignore milk as an important part of sustaining your weight-loss.

PS - I agree, if you get your hands on whole, raw (non-pasteurized/homogenized milk) then it is perhaps a different story. I haven't had the opportunity to try this myself, but am intrigued by some of the research here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

Jeremy

it's hard to find any research anywhere that wasnt slanted in some way or conducted by scientists and foundations who werent biased.

This is true with almost all studies involving weight loss, and why you should find and use trustworthy sources and your own experience before you accept the truth of any academic finding on losing fat.

Speaking of biased sources, I admire the thoroughness with which you hit all of PETA's old "Drink Beer" campaign talking points. I remember they especially loved talking about that pus one.

And raw milk is so dang healthy for you it makes me sad to know it's illegal.

Raw milk also has an absurdly short shelf life under normal circumstances. Healthy cow or no healthy cow, the milk in grocery stores any appreciable distance from dairy farms would not be good to drink without the combination of pasteurization and refrigeration. Being a luddite is all well and good, but I'd rather not trust public health to a farmer's ability and willingness to voluntarily diagnose illness in all of his cows and cull their milk from shipments that only go 20 miles.

Also, be careful how much cache you give something called "organic." Most "organic" food isn't materially better for you than "inorganic" food - you have to meet a pretty low standard in order for the store to call it "organic."

And as much as we like to think that the nutritive value of our food is a mystery because of the unethical treatment of animals, the food labels on your milk and chicken and whatnot are still reliable information and should be very useful to someone planning a diet.

If you choose not to drink milk for fat loss reasons, I suggest you do it because of the lactose and the high calories, not because of the mysterious souls of suffering cows, or the mysterious hormones that exist in mysterious proportion and have mysterious effects. There's enough concrete evidence to make some sound decisions without wandering off into vagueries.

If you cut out everything in the grocery store that hasn't in some way been poisoned or tampered with, there wouldn't be anything left to eat. (This doesn't mean this sort of thing is right, just that you have to come to terms with it at some point if you yourself don't live near a farm)

Just because an orange can't moo, that doesn't mean there aren't harmful chemicals in your organge juice, too.

ggguuahahhhhhhh well reasoned posts arguing both sides from people I really respect... I don't know what to do !!! :spaz:

I guess I have to go with:
My protein tastes take like crap without milk.
My (healthy) cereal tastes like crap without milk.
I am losing weight and feeling and looking better...
I am never in the sun (if I wasn't 1/2 black I'd be pasty white)

Guess I will stick with it for now.
-Allen

The other thing is that most people are allergic to it. The assumption is that unless you have stomach pain or breakout in hives, you are not allergic. However, many of the doctors I've consulted with agree that allergies are a continuum - i.e. some people are more allergic than others. Allergies to lactose (milk sugar) or casein (milk protein) are very prevalent with many people assuming they are fine because the only manifestation is water retention or a puffy nose. The concern is that if you are even mildly allergic, your immune system is being CONTINUOUSLY stressed when you continue to consume dairy products, which may create more complications later on. At the suggestion of a few medical doctors who were knowledgeable on the subject, I started recommending my clients learn their reaction to dairy simply by cutting it out completely for 4 weeks. I don't ask that they cut it out forever, simply take a test and cut it out for a month.

Here's what happens - most are so addicted that they simply don't have the willpower to do without dairy for a month, so they make up a ton of excuses to get back onto it. Out of those who actually follow through, they report that a few days into it they receive symptoms similar to having a sinus infection with runny nose, scratchy throat, etc, and intense cravings for the dairy - including pounding headaches that feel like they won't go away unless they have it. Then, after a few weeks, they suddenly lean out in the face (less puffy) and most drop a significant amount of weight - my wife, for example, lost 10 pounds over a month simply by cutting dairy out but not changing her caloric intake at all! Then they report more energy, improved taste, etc.

Needless to say, 9 out of 10 of my clients or friends who I've suggested try this experiment ultimately never go back to dairy.

The dairy industry has effectively brainwashed most into believing a balanced diet must include dairy. Ironic, since we are the only mammal on the planet that concerns ourselves with dairy after we are weaned. There is plenty of calcium and vitamin D in other natural sources, the propaganda about osteoperosis and weight loss is a marketing strategy at best. Resistance training, leafy green vegetables, nuts, and spending 15 minutes in the sun will do far more for calcium and Vitamin D than taking on dairy, in my opinion.

Jeremy

Very interesting take on the whole dairy issue - ive moved abroad to France about about 3 months ago, and unfortunately gained about 10-15 lbs in the process (too much bad food, not enough exercise, etc), and am now trying to work it back off - but the relevant part here is that my face has become noticeably puffier since, and one dietary change has been cheese virtually everyday. Back in the states Id eat lowfat cottage cheese quite a bit (but no milk just soymilk, nor yogurt, mac&cheese, or other dairy sources except the very rare pizza - even then id take off most of the cheese), didnt notice too much of a change in my face though it may have been because total calories were in check as well, so posibly the dairy increase isnt totally to blame for the puffy face and its really just the weight gain; however, Ive also had a runny nose more often than usual thus causing me to wonder if the dairy is major culprit on both counts (puffy face/runny nose). Going to give the no-dairy experiment a try though for the rest of January. Oh trust me it will be hard, particularly being a vegetarian over here in the country of 400 cheeses - quite tasty, and a decent available protein source when soy burgers, tofu, seitan, and all the other veg. specialties of the US are unavailable. Still its worth giving a shot, I'll report back at the end of the month, hopefully dairy free and about 10 pounds lighter :tu:

So I just posted in another thread about my recent discovery about how skim milk with my protein powder stops me from staving to death...well okay not really lol but since trying to switch to mixing it with water i could eat the very desk I am sitting at. The difference in feeling full is shocking!

Now I am about 6 weeks into my transformation since adding weight lifting. I eat clean with 6 meals a day and have had good success so far, and was not even having cravings. Then I decided I should get rid of the milk and it's been a train wreck ( I know, if it ain't broke don't fix it :lol: ). Since a lot of people whose opinions I respect on the boards have posted arguments both ways, does anyone know why I might have this reaction? Enquiring minds would like to know :nod:

Incidentally I have never been a milk drinker my whole life, really don't like the stuff. Of course it IS tasty in the protein mix :o but I don't think this problem is due to a life long love affair with milk or anything.
Maybe it's just hard for me to get those calories in otherwise...

~ever

How about putting some healthy fats into your protein shake?

Jeremy

So I just posted in another thread about my recent discovery about how skim milk with my protein powder stops me from staving to death...well okay not really lol but since trying to switch to mixing it with water i could eat the very desk I am sitting at. The difference in feeling full is shocking!

Now I am about 6 weeks into my transformation since adding weight lifting. I eat clean with 6 meals a day and have had good success so far, and was not even having cravings. Then I decided I should get rid of the milk and it's been a train wreck ( I know, if it ain't broke don't fix it :lol: ). Since a lot of people whose opinions I respect on the boards have posted arguments both ways, does anyone know why I might have this reaction? Enquiring minds would like to know :nod:

Incidentally I have never been a milk drinker my whole life, really don't like the stuff. Of course it IS tasty in the protein mix :o but I don't think this problem is due to a life long love affair with milk or anything.
Maybe it's just hard for me to get those calories in otherwise...

~ever

Speaking of biased sources, I admire the thoroughness with which you hit all of PETA's old "Drink Beer" campaign talking points. I remember they especially loved talking about that pus one.

I've never heard of that campaign. I know OF PETA though, they seem pretty out there, which isn't always a good way to get one's message across. I find that in the case of two polar extremes of opinion, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Being a luddite is all well and good
No way am I a luddite. I dont hate technology. We couldnt have very well lived in caves or tepees for the rest of humanity. Progress is innevitable. But, just b/c thats true, doesnt mean I shouldnt try and find a healthier source of food or support small buisiness.

You are correct about the spoilage of raw milk. That's one reason why pasteurization began. But I'd take fresh and raw over
processed and heated any day. Sure it's a pain in the neck, but it's so worth it to me. I know b/c of the way it makes me feel physically.

And no, there's hardly anything left that hasnt been fiddled with in the grocery store, you just gotta do the best you can.

hey guys, actually ive just recently added milk to my diet a month ago, and ive seen some noticable boosts in my losses.

this site is interesting (even though it is a little bit commercialized and exaggerated) -check out the "science" area of the site:

http://www.2424milk.com

Auughh so much conflicting information, making my head spin!

After doing a few searches, it seems like you are more concerned about milk and the lactose content in it as a possible offender for bloat/puffiness/etc., and that cheese is less of a problem - am I correct in seeing this as your position, Jeremy? If so, I may just go with the dropping of excess weight first to see that effect, then try the no-dairy test (dont want to switch up too many variables at once - although by eating less in general, less dairy will be part of the approach). Thanks.

How about putting some healthy fats into your protein shake?

Jeremy


what would you recommend jeremy? I've done flax before and it is so gross you have to slam/chase. Ideally protein should be sipped over 10-2o minutes i believe. I've tried natty peanut butter as well. That was yummy. Perhaps grinding up almonds?

[QUOTE]=rubberbandman]another good thing about milk....with all the growth hormones they pump into those cows, some of it has to end up in YOU and you know what that means! free anabolic steroids with every gallon purchase!!!![QUOTE]

I wouldn't say it's FREE with milk prices always increasing!!!! At least this way you get a little more than what you paid for!

what would you recommend jeremy? I've done flax before and it is so gross you have to slam/chase. Ideally protein should be sipped over 10-2o minutes i believe. I've tried natty peanut butter as well. That was yummy. Perhaps grinding up almonds?
If you like natural peanut butter then you will probably enjoy Almond Butter. My wife actually prefers it over peanut butter and it is really good for you. Almonds are truly one of nature's treasures. I have been meaning to make my own almond butter since I could grind them up for a little over half what I can buy it for. :tu:

I'll try the peanut butter. I was adding some plus milk once in a while, but not with water. I will finish up this week that way and hopefully won't eat my furniture

:D

~ever

If you like natural peanut butter then you will probably enjoy Almond Butter. My wife actually prefers it over peanut butter and it is really good for you. Almonds are truly one of nature's treasures. I have been meaning to make my own almond butter since I could grind them up for a little over half what I can buy it for. :tu:



where can i get almond butter cheap? at my local grocery store it is rather expensive. Generally i just take a shot of flax and chase it with a diet beverage.

Milk is for babies.

:lol:

~SC~

Couldn't agree more. Baby cows to be exact! :lol:

babies triple their LBM in their first few years of life :D

As for milk helping with fat loss, let's look at the real statistics. Americans drink milk. A LOT of it. Yet 2 out of 3 are still overweight.
Jeremy

Well, I am not sure this really tells us much. Simply because lots of Americans drink milk and lots of Americans are overweight, this doesn't suggest one way or the other that milk facilitates or inhibits weight loss. All it tells us is that milk, by itself, can't counteract the weight gain associated with all of our other bad habits. That is, its effect on weight loss certainly won't make much difference if we are consuming significantly more calories than we expend.

The concern is that if you are even mildly allergic, your immune system is being CONTINUOUSLY stressed when you continue to consume dairy products, which may create more complications later on.

This makes sense in theory, but what seems logical in theory may not necessarily manifest in practice. It would be more convincing to see experimental results that demonstrate some of the immuno-stressing effects of taking in dairy -- or, if not experimental, at least a correlation between dairy intake and problems associated with the immune system (either immuno-deficiency, or perhaps autoimmune disorders).

I must admit, I tend to be a little skeptical when a particular food or class of foods is automatically demonized as being akin to poison. Sure, over-consumption of any food is going to cause problems, but until hard data demonstrates otherwise, my position is that moderate consumption of a wide variety of foods is the healthiest way to go (including dairy).

After I had fever some time ago, I still have this cold that gets progressively worse at the end of the day.

I've been drinking a lot of milk and eating a lot of red meat lately, something tells me those are the culprits.

I've stopped drinking milk since yesterday and won't eat any red meat for some time.

My nose has started running this morning, and I feel a bit lethargic, maybe this just my mind playing nasty tricks on me though.

Anyway, if anything note worthy happens i'll report it.

Joe, maybe you are referring to other areas of this thread ... because I certainly don't demonize it as poison. I have people take a simple test and choose for themselves. Some people don't notice a difference, most do. Regardless of the theories and studies and research, etc, the fact is, most people don't want a puffy face or chronic runny nose. That's why they stop, irregardless of whether or not the long term stress is really something to be concerned about or not.

And, as I mentioned, if they don't notice a difference, no problems.

I also agree with variety - that is important. Again, I just don't encourage people to consume foods that cause bloating and runny nose. If it doesn't do that, no worries.

Jeremy

I must admit, I tend to be a little skeptical when a particular food or class of foods is automatically demonized as being akin to poison. Sure, over-consumption of any food is going to cause problems, but until hard data demonstrates otherwise, my position is that moderate consumption of a wide variety of foods is the healthiest way to go (including dairy).

babies triple their LBM in their first few years of life :D

I'm all for following examples in nature. So, to triple our LBM, we should put down the weights, stop doing cardio, and roll around in a crib for a few years. :D

After I had fever some time ago, I still have this cold that gets progressively worse at the end of the day.

I've been drinking a lot of milk and eating a lot of red meat lately, something tells me those are the culprits.

I've stopped drinking milk since yesterday and won't eat any red meat for some time.

My nose has started running this morning, and I feel a bit lethargic, maybe this just my mind playing nasty tricks on me though.

Anyway, if anything note worthy happens i'll report it.

Sazuki, most of my clients when they cut dairy report symptoms similar to sinus infections or cold for 2 - 10 days after they eliminate the dairy. They get a scratchy throat, runny nose, etc. Then, after that period of time, they experience a slight to dramatic weight loss and lose a lot of the puffiness in their face, arms, etc. More women report these results when cutting dairy then men - I'd say 9 out of 10 of the women I've had cut dairy haven't gone back except in moderation, while about half of the men notice a difference.

Jeremy

Just got to put in my 2 cents.

Daily cut diet with 4 oz skim (60 cals), one low-fat yogurt (80 cals) , one low-fat string cheese (60 cals) and 1% cottage cheese (90 cals).

Protein gained from these items: 35 gms for 290 cals.

NOT TOO BAD in my eyes. I've never had a bad reaction to dairy (that I know of). Ice cream is the root of all evil for me. I can gorge on that stuff. I've finally gained a taste for Cottage Cheese (love it with blackberries mixed in)

Are there any alternatives to milk which don't cause these allergies? .

I'm all for following examples in nature. So, to triple our LBM, we should put down the weights, stop doing cardio, and roll around in a crib for a few years. :D

Jeremy

lmao :D



As for milk helping with fat loss, let's look at the real statistics. Americans drink milk. A LOT of it. Yet 2 out of 3 are still overweight.

Right. I guess if we exclude the milkshake's from all MacD's BK's etc in the US, USA will become instantly slimmer!

I still pound skim milk down, although not near as much as I used to... I generally only use it when mixing up my powder.

I totally avoid Yogurt because it has SOOOOOO many freakin' carbs.

I vote for milk early on in the day, but I'd cut it out later in the day as you restrict your sugar carbs.

I still pound skim milk down, although not near as much as I used to... I generally only use it when mixing up my powder.

I totally avoid Yogurt because it has SOOOOOO many freakin' carbs.

I vote for milk early on in the day, but I'd cut it out later in the day as you restrict your sugar carbs.


Err, skim milk, 13g carbs 9g protein - 1 cup
Low fat plain yogurt 19g carbs 13g protein - 1 cup

How does yogurt have more carbs than milk??? They have almost identical carb/protein ratios.

<snip>
Err, skim milk, 13g carbs 9g protein - 1 cup
Low fat plain yogurt 19g carbs 13g protein - 1 cup
</snap>

Yeah. Plain yogurt... Sorry, the Yogurt I was mawing down on had 41g carbs. It's that hidden sugar/fruit that's the killer.

I guess I won't slam plain yogurt.

Good catch.

Sazuki, most of my clients when they cut dairy report symptoms similar to sinus infections or cold for 2 - 10 days after they eliminate the dairy. They get a scratchy throat, runny nose, etc. Then, after that period of time, they experience a slight to dramatic weight loss and lose a lot of the puffiness in their face, arms, etc. More women report these results when cutting dairy then men - I'd say 9 out of 10 of the women I've had cut dairy haven't gone back except in moderation, while about half of the men notice a difference.

Jeremy

I quit dairy for 4 days nows. I feel different, some kind of mental change. Less motivated, bordering on slightly depressed maybe.

Physically I feel awfull, very tired, my body feels like it's shaking a little, but it doesn't really. I thought this might be because of the somewhat low calories 1800/2000 i'm eating but I never had problems with that before. Also there is some pressure on my head, like a slight headache.

Also I have this cough I get at nighttime that gets increasingly worse, it starts at 9/10 o'clock and bothers me into the night. And I have a slight running nose in the morning.

At the same time I quit eating all kinds of meat, I was eating a lot of red meat weekly, maybe this contributes to me feeling not quite 100% at the moment.

When I think about it, I have been drinking milk for my entire life, almost everyday. I got really cranky without milk in the morning I realize now.

I'm going to eat a little more and rest, hopefully i'll feel like my old self again soon. I'm not going to cave in! :spaz:

I'm glad I found this post Jeremy, after searching for a little. Thanks for it! I'm cutting and my diet is very high in dairy. I started a new post but haven't heard yet. If you don't mind, I'll try to PM you too when you're online next if I don't get a response to this. I'm gonna try what you suggest to your clients. Other than nuts, lettuce, and spinach, are there any other non-dairy calcium-rich sources that you would recommend? Calcium suppplement or no? For my PWO I'm starting to do whey and dex, but I was also considering a casein protein before bed. Would you suggest against this? Would this negate what I'd be trying to do by cutting dairy? If you read this, let me know whenever you get a chance. Thanks,

Justin

I've seen this other push for the dairy industry. It is a billion dollar industry, and the government is happy to jump in since, in the US, it is subsidized, which means the government buys back surplus at the end of the year. So of course, both the industry and the government want people getting lots of dairy.

The truth is that there are plenty of studies to show that calcium balance is the same whether people get small amounts from natural sources (nuts, leafy green vegetables, etc) or large amounts from milk. The key here is large amounts, because milk forces the body to leech calcium to restore the pH balance of the stomach, which means your requirements for calcium ironically go UP when drinking this supposedly magical source of calcium.

In fact, vegans who receive 50% of the calcium in their diet than dairy drinkers (so they only get 1/2 the calcium) actually have the same calcium status (available calcium in their bloodstream) as the milk drinkers. This is thought to be a combination of poorer calcium absorption from dairy and increased calcium demands. (Protein, as well, increases demands for calcium ... because calcium is involved in muscle contraction, perhaps increased muscle mass demands a higher calcium intake as well, although I am not aware of this being studied).

As for milk helping with fat loss, let's look at the real statistics. Americans drink milk. A LOT of it. Yet 2 out of 3 are still overweight.

I believe there are combination of reasons for this. First, milk today is not the milk of yesterday. There are plenty of causes for concern that pasteurization and homogenization are both detrimental to the quality of milk, and that's not even throwing bovine growth hormone into the equation - here's some good information about that:

http://www.realmilk.com/

The other thing is that most people are allergic to it. The assumption is that unless you have stomach pain or breakout in hives, you are not allergic. However, many of the doctors I've consulted with agree that allergies are a continuum - i.e. some people are more allergic than others. Allergies to lactose (milk sugar) or casein (milk protein) are very prevalent with many people assuming they are fine because the only manifestation is water retention or a puffy nose. The concern is that if you are even mildly allergic, your immune system is being CONTINUOUSLY stressed when you continue to consume dairy products, which may create more complications later on. At the suggestion of a few medical doctors who were knowledgeable on the subject, I started recommending my clients learn their reaction to dairy simply by cutting it out completely for 4 weeks. I don't ask that they cut it out forever, simply take a test and cut it out for a month.

Here's what happens - most are so addicted that they simply don't have the willpower to do without dairy for a month, so they make up a ton of excuses to get back onto it. Out of those who actually follow through, they report that a few days into it they receive symptoms similar to having a sinus infection with runny nose, scratchy throat, etc, and intense cravings for the dairy - including pounding headaches that feel like they won't go away unless they have it. Then, after a few weeks, they suddenly lean out in the face (less puffy) and most drop a significant amount of weight - my wife, for example, lost 10 pounds over a month simply by cutting dairy out but not changing her caloric intake at all! Then they report more energy, improved taste, etc.

Needless to say, 9 out of 10 of my clients or friends who I've suggested try this experiment ultimately never go back to dairy.

The dairy industry has effectively brainwashed most into believing a balanced diet must include dairy. Ironic, since we are the only mammal on the planet that concerns ourselves with dairy after we are weaned. There is plenty of calcium and vitamin D in other natural sources, the propaganda about osteoperosis and weight loss is a marketing strategy at best. Resistance training, leafy green vegetables, nuts, and spending 15 minutes in the sun will do far more for calcium and Vitamin D than taking on dairy, in my opinion.

Jeremy

The benefits of dairy in regards to weight loss are supposedly tied into the hormone calcitriol, whose levels are dependent on calcium levels.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002014144_healthcalcium25.html

Calcitriol causes the body to hoard calcium by sending more calcium into fat cells, which signals them to store more fat. The calcium tells the fat cells to be more efficient — possibly an evolutionary trait to protect the primitive human body.

With a calcium-rich diet, Zemel says, calcitriol production decreases and less calcium is shuttled to fat cells. Less fat is stored.

Hmm...this is interesting. Thanks, Juche. One reason why I have been eating a lot of dairy is positive press like this. And the fact that I like it. But I have read and heard other negative things about dairy from respected sources. I still would like to maximize my calcium from non-dairy sources. From what I understand, it is other things in dairy that cause bloat/weight gain, etc... The calcium issue itself with dairy is that the body becomes less efficient and needs more calcium to maintain its calcium levels. When going to a lower level and getting calcium from non-dairy foods, the body eventually adjusts. So, any suggestions for calcium-rich non-dairy foods other than those I previously mentioned (lettuce, spinach, nuts)? thanks

The benefits of dairy in regards to weight loss are supposedly tied into the hormone calcitriol, whose levels are dependent on calcium levels.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002014144_healthcalcium25.html

Calcitriol causes the body to hoard calcium by sending more calcium into fat cells, which signals them to store more fat. The calcium tells the fat cells to be more efficient — possibly an evolutionary trait to protect the primitive human body.

With a calcium-rich diet, Zemel says, calcitriol production decreases and less calcium is shuttled to fat cells. Less fat is stored.

I've wanted to quit dairy, I just can't find an enjoyable breakfast alternative to milk and cereal. I don't like oatmeal or egg whites, ironically which are two staples of morning breakfasts for bodybuilders. Anyone else have a suggestion?

I try to keep fats and carbs seperate as well, otherwise I'd do something like wheat toast w/ natty PB...

Jeremy thanks for posting your general info about dairy, since I've cut it out about a month ago I've busted a plateau and been shedding fat and puffiness. I had ALWAYS been a huge skim milk fan and have been told many times in the past that I looked like I never lost my "baby fat". When I look in the mirror I see what people mean, my fat is distributed evenly all over, and mostly right underneath the skin.

I eat 4 Tablespoons of Natty PB and chug a big glass of water. Sometimes I eat a chooter or turkey sausage from the George Foreman. For me the protein & fat is a powerful start to my day and kills all cravings.


I've wanted to quit dairy, I just can't find an enjoyable breakfast alternative to milk and cereal. I don't like oatmeal or egg whites, ironically which are two staples of morning breakfasts for bodybuilders. Anyone else have a suggestion?

I try to keep fats and carbs seperate as well, otherwise I'd do something like wheat toast w/ natty PB...

Thanks for this post. I'm looking for things to replace dairy with, particularly at breakfast. But I am looking for more carbs in breakfast for some days as well because I sometimes work out after this meal. Cottage cheese with fruit and healthy fat has been a staple breakfast as has yogurt and almonds with turkey bacon and a small amount of fruit. I do also eat egg beaters made with olive oil, some turkey bacon. and some fruit. And I love it, but this is really the only non-dairy breakfast I east. Any posts about alternatives (preferably ones with carbs that I could eat would be much appreciated. Thanks.

I eat 4 Tablespoons of Natty PB and chug a big glass of water. Sometimes I eat a chooter or turkey sausage from the George Foreman. For me the protein & fat is a powerful start to my day and kills all cravings.

Thanks for this post. I'm looking for things to replace dairy with, particularly at breakfast. But I am looking for more carbs in breakfast for some days as well because I sometimes work out after this meal. Cottage cheese with fruit and healthy fat has been a staple breakfast as has yogurt and almonds with turkey bacon and a small amount of fruit. I do also eat egg beaters made with olive oil, some turkey bacon. and some fruit. And I love it, but this is really the only non-dairy breakfast I east. Any posts about alternatives (preferably ones with carbs that I could eat would be much appreciated. Thanks.
If you are trying to replace dairy and don't want carbs then look at unsweetened Soy Milk. It has virtually no carbs.

In fact, vegans who receive 50% of the calcium in their diet than dairy drinkers (so they only get 1/2 the calcium) actually have the same calcium status (available calcium in their bloodstream) as the milk drinkers. This is thought to be a combination of poorer calcium absorption from dairy and increased calcium demands.

I wouldn't necessarily use the level of avaliable calcium in the blood as saying that the "calcium status" of vegans and dairy drinkers is the same - calcium levels in the bloodstream are very tightly regulated by a variety of hormones - someone who hardly ever gets any calcium will have the same calcium levels as someone who does, because the glands (parathyroid, etc.) will release hormones to leach calcium from the bones to keep the blood levels steady.

Thanks. I might give this a try. It might be a good addition to my diet. although I have heard mixed things about soy for men. something about boosting estrogen... But I'm actually looking for non-dairy breakfast ideas that have carbs. I often lift after breakfast, and much of my carb intake centers around breakfast and my PWO meal. I'm also looking for calcium-rich non-dairy sources. I know that spinach, lettuce, other leafy greens, and nuts are some food ones. How about the unsweetened soy in terms of calcium?

If you are trying to replace dairy and don't want carbs then look at unsweetened Soy Milk. It has virtually no carbs.

Thanks. I might give this a try. It might be a good addition to my diet. although I have heard mixed things about soy for men. something about boosting estrogen... But I'm actually looking for non-dairy breakfast ideas that have carbs. I often lift after breakfast, and much of my carb intake centers around breakfast and my PWO meal. I'm also looking for calcium-rich non-dairy sources. I know that spinach, lettuce, other leafy greens, and nuts are some food ones. How about the unsweetened soy in terms of calcium?
I believe the calcium content is almost identical to milk. Of course, whole milk has a little less than skim, but they are around 300mg which is what SILK has. I am sure different brands vary. If you aren't worried about the carbs and you are straying from dairy, then the sweentened versions are probably tastier. Just note that you are replacing lactose with processed sugar. It may be organic, but it is still processed. If you drink milk around workouts, then I wouldn't worry too much. I am still holding on to my milk (no pun intended) and I am under 11% BF right now. I don't know if it would make a difference or not, and I don't know if I will ever find that out. Gotta have milk with my Kashi and Fiber One in the morning. :gl:

Oh - I just bought almond butter at Trader Joe's for very cheap - a few dollars. Maybe 2x as expensive as Hydrogenated Jif at the store...

Oh - I just bought almond butter at Trader Joe's for very cheap - a few dollars. Maybe 2x as expensive as Hydrogenated Jif at the store...
Unfortunately, here in Houston it is $5-$6/lb at health food stores so I just make my own. It's pretty easy if you have a food processor. I have made Cashew Butter, Almond Butter, Peanut Butter, and Walnut Butter. Cashew is usually everyone's favorite. :drool: Now I rarely reach for peanut butter b/c the Almond and Cashew Butter is awesome. That's great you found it for a good deal. To me the stuff is addicting for dinner.

Thanks. I've started my experiment with cutting dairy. I bought some unsweetened soy milk to use where I would otherwise use milk. I feel that my non-lifitng breakfast will not revolve around this. I like to avoid grains for breakfast on non-lifting days. I like egg beater omelettes with some spinach and peppers mixed in made with olive oil. And a little fruit. I bought some grains for lifting days. Quaker oats. brown rice. and kashi golean cereal. I plan to use the soy milk if I want on the cereal. And I can always have extra lean turkey bacon on the side for extra protein. I'll let people know how the dairy cut works for me.

I believe the calcium content is almost identical to milk. Of course, whole milk has a little less than skim, but they are around 300mg which is what SILK has. I am sure different brands vary. If you aren't worried about the carbs and you are straying from dairy, then the sweentened versions are probably tastier. Just note that you are replacing lactose with processed sugar. It may be organic, but it is still processed. If you drink milk around workouts, then I wouldn't worry too much. I am still holding on to my milk (no pun intended) and I am under 11% BF right now. I don't know if it would make a difference or not, and I don't know if I will ever find that out. Gotta have milk with my Kashi and Fiber One in the morning. :gl:

I'm also interested in cutting out dairy, at least as an experiment.

What should I look to to replace cottage cheese? I eat at least a cup a day, sometimes 2.

I'm also interested in cutting out dairy, at least as an experiment.

What should I look to to replace cottage cheese? I eat at least a cup a day, sometimes 2.


I have the same dilemma. I love cottage cheese and would love an alternative that is non-dairy.

I'm also interested in cutting out dairy, at least as an experiment.

What should I look to to replace cottage cheese? I eat at least a cup a day, sometimes 2.
Most people cutting dairy don't have a problem with eating cottage cheese. I'm stuck on that one b/c I gotta have my cottage cheese before bed. :p

Most people cutting dairy don't have a problem with eating cottage cheese. I'm stuck on that one b/c I gotta have my cottage cheese before bed. :p

Hmmm...

Well it won't be too much of a stretch for me to get rid of milk, yogurt and regular cheese.

Hmmm...

Well it won't be too much of a stretch for me to get rid of milk, yogurt and regular cheese.

I'd definitely try that first. If you notice big changes, then try cottage cheese.

Personally I love dairy, particularly plain yogurt and don't have any problems eating it, but cutting below 10% seems easier without it. I don't know if it's the sugar - even though it's low GI, it spikes insulin or just what I eat instead, but if you are getting serious (<12%BF) and are starting to look at all the details, definitely cut back/out on yogurt and milk (I still eat cheese, that doesn't seem to be a problem - in fact it helps, probably becasue of the fats are keeping me full).

High amounts of dairy are not good for cutting in my experience whatever 'research' suggests.

I think I agree. And I respect Jeremy's opinion. I'm close to 10% BF, and my goal is to cut below for the first time. I'm sure I've been there as a competitive runner, but this is the first time it's an active goal since I've started serious weight training. So I'm currently eliminating milk, yogurt, and even cottage cheese. How about Whey Protein though? Is this not a dairy derivative? I'd hate to give it up post-workout. I also sometimes have zone bars as a snack. I know they're not optimal-rather too high in simple sugar. But they're good protein. I eat them only tuesday and thursday when I have a lot of back-to-back class. I find that I can bring nuts and fruit and other fat and carb sources, but other than bar form, I don't know how to get in the protein I would like between meals on those busy days. However, I noticed that non-fat milk is one of the ingredients on the label. It is pretty low on the list. Think I'm ok with my Whey Protein and zone bars dairy-wise? thanks

I'd definitely try that first. If you notice big changes, then try cottage cheese.

Personally I love dairy, particularly plain yogurt and don't have any problems eating it, but cutting below 10% seems easier without it. I don't know if it's the sugar - even though it's low GI, it spikes insulin or just what I eat instead, but if you are getting serious (<12%BF) and are starting to look at all the details, definitely cut back/out on yogurt and milk (I still eat cheese, that doesn't seem to be a problem - in fact it helps, probably becasue of the fats are keeping me full).

High amounts of dairy are not good for cutting in my experience whatever 'research' suggests.

I'd definitely try that first. If you notice big changes, then try cottage cheese.

Personally I love dairy, particularly plain yogurt and don't have any problems eating it, but cutting below 10% seems easier without it. I don't know if it's the sugar - even though it's low GI, it spikes insulin or just what I eat instead, but if you are getting serious (<12%BF) and are starting to look at all the details, definitely cut back/out on yogurt and milk (I still eat cheese, that doesn't seem to be a problem - in fact it helps, probably becasue of the fats are keeping me full).

High amounts of dairy are not good for cutting in my experience whatever 'research' suggests.
Don't forget low GI and low GL. With that combination it would be impossible to spike insulin. It would have to be something else in your diet or so it seems..

Not saying that is works for everyone, but I am still holding on to dairy hovering @10% . Low bodyfat has always come hard to me. In fact, I have never been below 12-13%, even with 3 a days as a college athlete. Who knows I may even try cutting milk in the morning, but if I remember correctly Jeremy and Swole have no probs with Cottage Cheese. In fact, that is what Swole eats at night also. I guess different strokes for different folks.

One more thing to think about with those having issues removing milk from their diet. There are some theories about milk producing an addiction in our bodies to help form a bond between mother and child when young. Testing shows that milk produces some of the same responses in our brains as morphine does, and creates a bit of a chemical addiction. I'm not saying milk or cheese is like using morphine, just that some of the reactions are supposedly similar which is why stopping is so difficult. The runny nose, headaches, stomach aches etc are just the withdrawl symptoms you are experiencing due to not having your fix.

Personally I still drink milk, still have buttermilk, yogurt is on the menu and I refuse to give up my cottege cheese. Does it hurt my diet? No because everything is calculated in and I dont go overboard on it. Maybe a cup or so avereged out over a few days in oatmeal, 1cup cottege cheese in protien pancakes, and yogurt saves me when I travel.

I am curious to try getting into a cowshare program, but truthfully that is too much milk. It costs about 11.50/week where i am delivered. Otherwise 4.50 per week without delivery for 1 gal/wk.

Don't forget low GI and low GL. With that combination it would be impossible to spike insulin.

Absolutely not true. Unlikely, but not impossible, and dairy is the biggest known exception (apart from protein). I used to be pro-dairy for this reason when Swole Cat and others were complaining about the 'sugar'. Since I heard about the insulin response I cut out milk and yogurt (cottage cheese is OK 4g carbs to 14g protein) except PWO and believe it has helped. It's always hard to know exactly what effects each thing is having and it's just one of many minor tweaks that makes a difference, but it is definitely on of my tweaks now when I'm getting serious.

If I have oats, I still put in 1/4 cup milk because I like the taste and thats just a few g of 'sugar', but I steer clear of drinking a whole cup.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Very interesting about the 'withdrawal symptoms' hypothesis. I'm experiencing this to a very minor degree, and I would consume a lot of dairy. I'm hoping that this is a signal that I'm one of the ones who doesn't respond poorly to it. I love cottage cheese, and find whey great PWO. I did ask Jeremy about it, and he recommends eliminating all dairy during the test including cottage cheese and whey. You can gradually reintroduce so long as your body does not negatively respond. For himself, he has been able to reintroduce whey but still notices some runny nose, etc... with casein. So far, I've eliminated all dairy except whey. I'm looking to do this as well. Any suggestions for a fast-absorbing, non-dairy protein for PWO? thanks

I don't mean to introduce a conspiracy theory here but most of this "milk is bad" propoganda is probably started by all the protein vendors who want you to abandon a cheap source of good nutrional value and switch to theirs.

Also, whey is made from milk and no one ever knocks the whey protein. All the BGH and steroids probably make its 'whey' into your shakes as well.

Just remember, we humans have a history of adapting to our environments. If you try to stay pure like some suggest, you might lose the ability to adapt and worse things can happen, just like children who don't get to play in dirt; they never develop their immune system enough to fight off some illnesses later in life and some end up having asthma or whatever. I am not an expert on any of this but in my opinion a glass of skim milk does wonders on building your body.

I'm a little bit confused, but the main allergic reactions to dairy comes from the lactose and casein inside of it? I personally don't drink milk, but do use cottage cheese.

I've read that when cheese is made, the lactose in it is transformed by the bacteria that produces the cheese. If that is the case, the amount of lactose in cheese being low, would eliminating cottage cheese be as effective on the bloatedness/runny nose?

I'm a little bit confused, but the main allergic reactions to dairy comes from the lactose and casein inside of it? I personally don't drink milk, but do use cottage cheese.

I've read that when cheese is made, the lactose in it is transformed by the bacteria that produces the cheese. If that is the case, the amount of lactose in cheese being low, would eliminating cottage cheese be as effective on the bloatedness/runny nose?

Lactose could be problematic for you. But it could also be the milk protein, casein, that cottage cheese does have. If you're interested in testing it out try eliminating it for awhile. See if you find a a reduction in bloatedness and/or runny nose. It's very likely you'll find no change, and they'll be no benefit to you to eliminate cottage cheese.

Well an interesting thing I have discovered about milk/cottage cheese is that too much of it gives me major breakouts.

I couldnt figure out why my face at nearly 43 was breaking out like my old pubesent self :confused: I had heard that people had allergies to milk(i am not allergic to anything that i know of ) but as a non milk drinker, i had nothing to compare that to

I started working with a trainer on my nutrition. The plan included using a lot of cottage to meet my protein requirements. I started eating about a cup of it atleast 2 times a day. I LOVE CCheese. About A month into eating my new plan , my face started breaking out with blackheads and pimples, continuouly. After reading this thread about milk, i had decided to cut back to eating it a few times a week, no more than once a day.

Hmmmmm My face has stopped breaking out! :claphigh: and the rest of the pimples are clearing up :D I also found this article that sort of backed up my suspicions . I am not sure how much truth is in the article other than my own personal experience. Anyone else experience this breakout syndrome from milk?

See this. Skimmed Milk 'Can Trigger Acne'

The Daily Mail, UK
25 February, 2005

Women who drink more than two servings of skimmed milk every day risk developing acne, researchers have found.

The study discovered that women who have two or more servings of skimmed milk are 44 per cent more likely to develop severe acne.

The research, involving more than 47,000 women, blamed the presence of hormones and bioactive molecules in milk for triggering the condition.

The US study was based on analysis of survey responses from 47,335 women involved in an ongoing health study.

Researchers also found women who drank more than three daily servings of any type of milk are 22 per cent more likely to suffer from acne.

The report said: "We found a positive association with acne for intake of total milk and skim milk.

"We hypothesise that the association with milk may be because of the presence of hormones and bioactive molecules in milk."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_page_id=1774

Well an interesting thing I have discovered about milk/cottage cheese is that too much of it gives me major breakouts.

I couldnt figure out why my face at nearly 43 was breaking out like my old pubesent self :confused: I had heard that people had allergies to milk(i am not allergic to anything that i know of ) but as a non milk drinker, i had nothing to compare that to

I started working with a trainer on my nutrition. The plan included using a lot of cottage to meet my protein requirements. I started eating about a cup of it atleast 2 times a day. I LOVE CCheese. About A month into eating my new plan , my face started breaking out with blackheads and pimples, continuouly. After reading this thread about milk, i had decided to cut back to eating it a few times a week, no more than once a day.

Hmmmmm My face has stopped breaking out! :claphigh: and the rest of the pimples are clearing up :D I also found this article that sort of backed up my suspicions . I am not sure how much truth is in the article other than my own personal experience. Anyone else experience this breakout syndrome from milk?


Ack! I'm definitely going to try this then. The protein powder I use (allthewhey) also seems to contain lactose too. I'll experiment and try to post how things go.