Continuing to count on that gnat's ass that Bluestreak so expressively depicted, I am looking for some good tasting low fat fish (other than fresh tuna--which I will be having for lunches) for dinner 2 x a week. My favorite, Salmon, is out for now, b/c of the high fat content--and so is catfish :d_frown: another fav.

I can't recall the other fish I see at my local Whole Foods store as I am always drawn to those two. Anyone have any suggestions?

Searching the calorie counting sites is rather arduous particularly as I have no name for fish I might be interested in.

I like flavorful stuff, not bland like cod.

Most of the flavor in fish comes from the fats, I'm afraid- but the beauty of fish is you can do so much to spice it up and not add fat: dill weed, red pepper, lemon juice, lime, orange juice, tabasco, etc... it's almost endless. Start with a whitefish (like cod, tilapia or orange roughy (also called Dory). Sea Bass is great. Snapper is quite low in fats.

Sole

Subtle flavour and delicate texture. Works nicely with a variety of herbs. Not intensely flavored like Salmon or Tuna, but certainly flavourful.

Yeah, Sea Bass I thought of--I love that. It is called Rockfish here--mmm--but expensive--but now quantities are smaller so not so extravagant. And yes, I should think in terms fo spicing the more bland fish up like sole -- it is so delicate. And yes I forgot about Tilapia and snapper.

Thanks for the suggestions, you guys!! :tu:

YEah- Sea Bass portions got small and prices went up. We are quickly fishing out the oceans- Sea Bass was thought of as junk fish until they fished out preferred varieties... don't be surprised when the only fish you can get are farm-raised. Ask any Newfoundlander about the moratorium. :d_frown:

Hey.

Don't think you should be scared of the fat in the salmon. It's probably the best foodproduct out there. Contains alot of vitamins, minerals and so on. Also helps keeping heart diseases away. If you only eat fish about 3 times a week or less you can skip all low fat fish like tuna. It does not bring the same positive effect as salmon and other fat fish like herring and mackerel. I never eat tuna for example. Concentrate on the fat fish because it won't make you fat. The unsaturated fat won't stick if you don't stuff yourself with other things.

Continuing to count on that gnat's ass that Bluestreak so expressively depicted, I am looking for some good tasting low fat fish (other than fresh tuna--which I will be having for lunches) for dinner 2 x a week. My favorite, Salmon, is out for now, b/c of the high fat content--and so is catfish :d_frown: another fav.

I can't recall the other fish I see at my local Whole Foods store as I am always drawn to those two. Anyone have any suggestions?

Searching the calorie counting sites is rather arduous particularly as I have no name for fish I might be interested in.

I like flavorful stuff, not bland like cod.

Hey.

Don't think you should be scared of the fat in the salmon. It's probably the best foodproduct out there. Contains alot of vitamins, minerals and so on. Also helps keeping heart diseases away. If you only eat fish about 3 times a week or less you can skip all low fat fish like tuna. It does not bring the same positive effect as salmon and other fat fish like herring and mackerel. I never eat tuna for example. Concentrate on the fat fish because it won't make you fat. The unsaturated fat won't stick if you don't stuff yourself with other things.

Yeah, I know--but I am on a specific cutting food plan so for the next 3 months or so, I would rather eat more fish and keep the fat low than less and eat salmon and then have to supplement with even more protein powder than I am drinking now.

It is going to be a very interesting experiment. I have never been on such a rigorus and structured progam before. It will be interesting to see what it feels like. But right now, I know that's what I want. A more fexible approach, though I made significant gains (for me anyway) were just not going to get me where I want to go. So I am going to try this for a while and see how I do under it.

There are whole lot of different ways to reach one's goals. There is no one unque way. I think one needs to find a way that suits one's temperment, or at least one's temperment for the time being.

Thanks for the valuabel feedback though.

Hi!

What type of fat % of total intake are we talking about. If you cut below 15% I don't see any benefit from it then the fact that you will get it even harder to bf...

Been there done that, doesn't work.

regards
Ludvig.


Yeah, I know--but I am on a specific cutting food plan so for the next 3 months or so, I would rather eat more fish and keep the fat low than less and eat salmon and then have to supplement with even more protein powder than I am drinking now.

It is going to be a very interesting experiment. I have never been on such a rigorus and structured progam before. It will be interesting to see what it feels like. But right now, I know that's what I want. A more fexible approach, though I made significant gains (for me anyway) were just not going to get me where I want to go. So I am going to try this for a while and see how I do under it.

There are whole lot of different ways to reach one's goals. There is no one unque way. I think one needs to find a way that suits one's temperment, or at least one's temperment for the time being.

Thanks for the valuabel feedback though.

Tilapia is tasty, and quite low in fat. I have made it using breadcrumbs and a bit of EVOO. I have also seared in frying pan using EVOO. It is probably one of my favorites, as I am not a fish lover, tilapia has a mild flavor that I enjoy. I eat salmon occasionally, it has a very strong flavor, and I don't really enjoy it.

Hi!

What type of fat % of total intake are we talking about. If you cut below 15% I don't see any benefit from it then the fact that you will get it even harder to bf...

Been there done that, doesn't work.

regards
Ludvig.

Yep, low fat diets, been there done that-- gained 70 lbs over the course of 15 years.

I only started to lose that weight once I let go of the low fat approach. Over the last few years, I lost 35 of those pounds, a lot of it through periods of Atkins.

I absolutely agree about low fat diets -- I will never, ever do those again.

Now I want to get serious about losing the rest (and body fat) while maintaining (and maybe even gaining) or even increasing LBM. Its a birthday goal. The break down of the food plan is more like 40-45P, 25-30C, 25-30F. I am just trying to do a little timed eating like the sticky on the fat loss thread (though not that particular program--but that kind of principle, some meals more protein-fat, others, protein-carbs).

I am just getting my fat from other sources and at other times of the day than the particular meal I want a lower fat fish for. There is more emphasis on carbs for that meal. But the main reason for the lower fat fish in that meal is so I can get enough protein via the fish without having to resort to to protein powder, which I drink enough of at other times of the day.

Not to worry--no low fat or low calorie approaches for me ever again.

Tilapia is tasty, and quite low in fat. .


Yep, that is what I was going to suggest. And it is very inexpensive as far as fish goes. Also, Orange Roughy, Halibut, and Mahi Mahi are yummy because they are light white fish but more filling than the tilapia. Those can run a little more expensive. Do you have a Trader Joe's near you? I buy their flash frozen fish and it is great. Never water logged or frozen-tasting and costs less than "fresh." :cool:

I love halibut (you can get a great bulk pack of halibut steaks at costco!) and sole. Never had tilapia - I guess I should try it. My current apartment has no oven (don't ask) so I've been making do with canned salmon. I just haven't gotten used to tuna yet =).

Hmm.. I wonder if there's any fish that can be cooked on a Foreman grill? :D

What about Sushi? and how bad is the rice they use with that stuff?

What about Sushi? and how bad is the rice they use with that stuff?

Rice isn't bad, it is just carbs--depends on you rmacronutrient break- down for the particular meal. But generally, the amount of fish given in sushi is de minimus. So you would probably be short on protein for the meal. Plus the rice they use is a special sticky rice (so the sushi will hold together and not fall apart when you pick it up with chop sticks) and is probably especially high in carbs or like eating rice flour (though I don;t know-- I am just guessing.)
Personally, I prefer Sashimi (sp?) which is the same raw fish, without the rice. Certain types of fish taste especially good that way (though I have forgotten my favorites as there are no good sushi houses where I live) and dunking sashimi in the soy suace mixed with wasabi--mmmm-- I used to love that. Makes me think I got to see if any new sushi houses have opened since I have been away for several years.


Hmm.. I wonder if there's any fish that can be cooked on a Foreman grill? :D

Fresh Tuna Steaks, marinated or just well seasoned --mmm!!

I would probably go the other way around on the protein vs carbs in your outplan. You body is not able to absorbe that type of protein intake. Sideffect will be no enery, lots of cravings and a really slow brain. Are you planing to workout on this?

Increasing muscle mass and losing the fat is not theoretical possible. You can minimize your muscle loss but not build any new one. If you want to build you need to get anabolic and for that you need to over consume about 300-500 kcal a day. I think John understands that now. I was on his case over a year ago to get him bulk but then he had your opinion. I somehow think he changed that. ;)

Yep, low fat diets, been there done that-- gained 70 lbs over the course of 15 years.

I only started to lose that weight once I let go of the low fat approach. Over the last few years, I lost 35 of those pounds, a lot of it through periods of Atkins.

I absolutely agree about low fat diets -- I will never, ever do those again.

Now I want to get serious about losing the rest (and body fat) while maintaining (and maybe even gaining) or even increasing LBM. Its a birthday goal. The break down of the food plan is more like 40-45P, 25-30C, 25-30F. I am just trying to do a little timed eating like the sticky on the fat loss thread (though not that particular program--but that kind of principle, some meals more protein-fat, others, protein-carbs).

I am just getting my fat from other sources and at other times of the day than the particular meal I want a lower fat fish for. There is more emphasis on carbs for that meal. But the main reason for the lower fat fish in that meal is so I can get enough protein via the fish without having to resort to to protein powder, which I drink enough of at other times of the day.

Not to worry--no low fat or low calorie approaches for me ever again.

if you can handle it, a ckd or tkd diet is best for losing fat and muscle preservation.


other than that, the fats in fish are healthy. The fat in fish are the healthy omega 3s that prevent cardio vascular disease. Infact, many people supplement with fish oil.


Its saturated/trans fats like french fries to be worried about.

Not taking in enough fat will slow your fat loss and hinder your bodys natural production of horormones.

Hmm.. I wonder if there's any fish that can be cooked on a Foreman grill? :D


Matter of fact, that is the only way I cook my fish! Otherwise, it falls apart on account of my clumsy flipping. I tends to stink up the house, so you may want to open a window or position the forman right near the exaust fan. . . .

It's impossible to read on these boards with any regularity and not learn about the trade-off between cutting and LBM.

I will be workingout both cardio and weights. And I will be taking plenty of good fat, including supplements of mercury-free fish oil,which I have already been doing for years.

I will not be actually starting until next week because I am traveling this week. I am just doing some advanced preparation.

MAHI MAHI! omg i love that stuff.. i recommend it... if u have a trader joes near by they have great deals on it

tkd or tarket ketogenic diets are imo by far the best for preserving muscle mass while cutting


they suck at first, but after we week its smooth sailing

Salmon is so good for you. I really don't see why you want to stay away from it. I know you want to keep your fat low, but Salmon is full of good fats that can help you get rid of the remaining fat you have now. But if you want to stay away from it that's up to you.

A fish I suggest is Orange Roughy and Monk Fish. Both are great grilled or stewed.

whats the macro nutiritent ratio of fat to protein in catfish? ive looked it up on fitday and calorieking but both have different results.

~2:1 protein:fat

okay thnx man.

Wow, this was totally weird to see this thread ressurected... It over a year and a half old... and just a few months after I started really getting into all the physical fitness stuff. Interesting to see my thinking then and what other people said.

Somehow people kept misunderstanding my query to mean I was going on a low fat diet... which I definitely was not. It was just for one meal of the day that I wanted a low fat fish b/c I was doing a protein/carb meal for that meal.

And what is even more interesting to me is that my thinking hasn't changed though my understanding is far greater. Also my understanding of what other people posted then is much greater now than back then. We certainly do keep accumulating knowledge and deeper understanding over time....

And my weight probably dropped only about 10 pounds but my BF% dropped significantly, from about 33% to about 27% or less.