Ive read in a lot of deit plans on this site than people eat alittle peanutbutter along with cottage cheese as their last meal. Now, i went out today and bought some cottage cheese and peanutbutter. But im not sure i got the right peanutbutter. As i read somewhere that some arent as good as others. Anywyas, the one i bought is ecologicaly grown and has the following stats per 100 gr. Calories 605, protein 22.6, fat 51 (15.5g polyunsaturated), carbs 15.2 and phosphorus 375mg...Thats all the info there is...Anyone have any idea if this is good or bad to eat (just a table spoon per day) ?? Also, when people eat it with cottage cheese, do they mix it together or what, seems like a strange combo. Anyways, all info appreciated.

Some added info. Did some research via google and found that the peanutbutter i bought seems pretty good. Its made of peanuts and sea salt only. Doesnt taste great, but hopefully its the right stuff..

yeah i've noticed this too. i hear they get "nattys peanut butter".

is the cottage cheese and peanut butter just for bulking diets?... or can they be used for cutting also?


i love peanut butter and cottage cheese.... just not sure if it would be good for me.

As far as ive seen most people eat it, regardless if they are on a diet or bulking program. Just not sure how to mix it, or as you say, if its really any good.

yeah i've noticed this too. i hear they get "nattys peanut butter".

is the cottage cheese and peanut butter just for bulking diets?... or can they be used for cutting also?


i love peanut butter and cottage cheese.... just not sure if it would be good for me.

"Natty" peanut butter is just natural peanut butter. Meaning it doesn't have any added sugar, fats, etc.

If you are used to the good ole' Jif, then yes, natural will taste and feel very different and probably not so good to your palette. But, after about a week of the natural stuff, taste the Jif again and it won't even taste right. It will feel like shortening with peanut butter flavoring added.

Found this thread about it, PB thread (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?p=47834)

I usually dont eat any PB. Is the "natty" any good for me, or should i just leave it out of my diet? Trying to lose fat btw.

"Natty" peanut butter is just natural peanut butter. Meaning it doesn't have any added sugar, fats, etc.

If you are used to the good ole' Jif, then yes, natural will taste and feel very different and probably not so good to your palette. But, after about a week of the natural stuff, taste the Jif again and it won't even taste right. It will feel like shortening with peanut butter flavoring added.

Natural peanut butter is GREAT. I use Smuckers natural... the only ingredients are peanuts and salt, just like yours in|sane. It's a great source of fats and it's a great way to get extra calories if you're lacking. I take 2 tablespoons 2 times a day, and I eat it right out of the measuring tablespoon. I also take flax seed oil, which is another good fat to take.

You have to remember to stir it well before each time you eat it because the oil will seperate and you need to mix it back in. The first mix of a fresh jar is always the most difficult and is a workout in itself. The reason that standard peanut butters are bad (like JIF) is because they use partially hydrogenated oil (trans fat) to keep the oil from seperating. Apparently having to mix the oil in by hand is not appetizing to most people. The trans fat in those peanut butters is really bad for you, so you'll want to stay away from them. They also contain a lot of sugar.
Trying to lose fat btw.You must get enough fat in even when cutting, shoot for 20-30% of your calories from fat (remember that fat has 9 calories per gram). It's a big time myth that eating fat makes you fat. Just make sure it's good fat, like natural PB, flax seed oil, fish oil, olive oil, almonds, etc...

Ahh good stuff...The PB i bought was in the store cooler, and didnt have the oil seperation you talk of, propably due to it being in colder storage than normal..I also bought Omega 3 today, expensive shit, but this is something id need i think..Right now, im in the process of figuring out what to eat. So far, im really lacking fat, so the natural PB will come in handy. As for the flax seed/fish/olive oils. Thats the stuff u frie stuff in isnt it? Or do u mean some other kinda of oils? Also, how do u get it into the diet, i mean, drinking pure olive oil seems kinda nasty :)

Natural peanut butter is GREAT. I use Smuckers natural... the only ingredients are peanuts and salt, just like yours in|sane. It's a great source of fats and it's a great way to get extra calories if you're lacking. I take 2 tablespoons 2 times a day, and I eat it right out of the measuring tablespoon. I also take flax seed oil, which is another good fat to take.

You have to remember to stir it well before each time you eat it because the oil will seperate and you need to mix it back in. The first mix of a fresh jar is always the most difficult and is a workout in itself. The reason that standard peanut butters are bad (like JIF) is because they use partially hydrogenated oil (trans fat) to keep the oil from seperating. Apparently having to mix the oil in by hand is not appetizing to most people. The trans fat in those peanut butters is really bad for you, so you'll want to stay away from them. They also contain a lot of sugar.
You must get enough fat in even when cutting, shoot for 20-30% of your calories from fat (remember that fat has 9 calories per gram). It's a big time myth that eating fat makes you fat. Just make sure it's good fat, like natural PB, flax seed oil, fish oil, olive oil, almonds, etc...

As for the flax seed/fish/olive oils. Thats the stuff u frie stuff in isnt it? Or do u mean some other kinda of oils? Also, how do u get it into the diet, i mean, drinking pure olive oil seems kinda nasty :)
I don't fry with flax seed oil, I drink it. Maybe that sounds strange, but I put a tablespoon in a small glass, add a tiny bit of water and drink it. Then I chase that with about 16 oz. water. Flax seed oil doesn't taste too bad, it has sort of a sesame seed flavor. Now fish oil is another story. If you take that straight, you may eventually get the fishy taste out of your mouth, but you'll have "fish burps" for the rest of the day. Sorry if that was too graphic.

Fry with olive oil if you want to fry your stuff because it's a lot cheaper, but I recommend taking flax seed oil straight up.

Natty PB is just awful to me. I can't stand the stuff, and for my program's sake, I really tried. So... since I love PB and can't live without it, I factored low fat, low sodium, regular-old supermarket peanut butter into my diet. As long as it's considered in your meal/daily macros correctly, you can get away with eating regular old peanut butter - but opt for a low-fat, low-sodium variety as that makes a big difference over an average jar of PB. I think the brand my wife buys is Peter Pan.

-R

natty = natural, meaning no added oils, just peanuts and salt.

natural peanut butter is a source of protein as well as "good" fats. For the most part, the fats found in peanut butter (and peanuts) are mono and poly unsaturated fat. Both of these are essential for your body to function. Thus, cutting out fat from twinkies, and replacing it with fat from natural peanut butter is a good thing. As a bonus, you get a bit of protein, and once you get past the separation of the oils from the natural peanut butter, something that occurs due to the lack of added chemicals, you will likely find that you prefer the taste, I know I do! Anyway, I consider peanut butter just one other food that I can use to get my proper nutrition. Of course, the fat content can quickly get out of hand, while your body needs fat, it does not need large amounts of it. Your body also needs other macronutrients. It is important to track and measure your servings accurately.

I've used the Teddy brand peanut butter - its just peanuts, nothing else. You can get it with or without salt. It's an acquired taste from sugary brands like Jif and Skippy, but I like it much better now. The fat in peanuts is monounsaturated "good" fat, so its an excellent way to supplement your diet. It is however VERY fat dense, so don't overdo it or you can kiss your shredded physique goodbye. Calories are calories, at a basic level.

Drinking flax seed oil huh, well ill haft to try that one out. if its such a small amount, it shouldnt be to bad i hope :)
The only thing i fry is my chicken, and i fry in olive oil, should i take the olive oil i use in frying into my daily calorie intake, or do most of it go to waste in the frying process?

I don't fry with flax seed oil, I drink it. Maybe that sounds strange, but I put a tablespoon in a small glass, add a tiny bit of water and drink it. Then I chase that with about 16 oz. water. Flax seed oil doesn't taste too bad, it has sort of a sesame seed flavor. Now fish oil is another story. If you take that straight, you may eventually get the fishy taste out of your mouth, but you'll have "fish burps" for the rest of the day. Sorry if that was too graphic.

Fry with olive oil if you want to fry your stuff because it's a lot cheaper, but I recommend taking flax seed oil straight up.

To all. It really seems the PB i bought is the good ones, and that its good for ya. So thats good news, since it was expensive :)
Im still puzzled over the PB + Cottage Cheese thing, how can u ever mix thoose two together ??

Also, thanks for all the replys, it has helped alot.

Im still puzzled over the PB + Cottage Cheese thing, how can u ever mix thoose two together ??
You don't have to, just eat them seperatly. Ugh, shudders just thinking about the taste of those two together...

"You got your cottage cheese in my peanut butter..."
"You got your peanut butter in my cottage cheese..."

Anyone remember that, or am I just old?

in|sane: i fry in olive oil, should i take the olive oil i use in frying into my daily calorie intake, or do most of it go to waste in the frying process?


This is a really good question...one i would like the answer to as well. I cook 1-3 chicken breasts per day in olive oil, about a tbsp each and i usually factor this in to my intake for the day, in fact it usually makes up for most of the fats for my day, along with some cashews and eggs...so if it just goes away in the cooking, thats not good...

Drinking flax seed oil huh, well ill haft to try that one out. if its such a small amount, it shouldnt be to bad i hope :)
The only thing i fry is my chicken, and i fry in olive oil, should i take the olive oil i use in frying into my daily calorie intake, or do most of it go to waste in the frying process?

I'd move to baking your chicken and getting your fat by ingesting the flax oil.

Try to get a good quality flax - don't just buy the cheapie bottles. I buy the bigger bottles, costs like $29 and lasts me a couple of months. The better brands of flax oil take extra care to preserve lignan content (a natural, very healthy part of flax oil). Lignans are known cancer fighting agents and have many health benefits.

I mix my flax into chocolate ATW protein shakes. It's tastier that way. I can't imagine just sluggin' down a table spoon of that semi-green goo. Yuck. I use at least one protein shake per day, so I'm guaranteed to get it in at some point during the day.

-R

Im still puzzled over the PB + Cottage Cheese thing, how can u ever mix thoose two together ??




I puree natural peanut butter and cottage cheese in the food processor and add a bit of splenda and vanilla extract. :drool: It's like cheesecake and ice cream :drool: You would never know, when eating it, that it is actually good for you!

For anybody who hates re-mixing their natural peanut butter...I buy chunky Teddy brand natural peanut butter and keep it in the refrigerator (you are supposed to anyway to prevent the growth of bacteria that create Aflatoxin B...but that is another story). chunky peanut butter has more of the fat left in the solid nuts so there is less in liquid form, and keeping it in the fridge keeps it from separating again. just my 2 cents.

Baking my chicken will like never happen, cause my owen sucks and it takes to long time. Il just stick with frying it in some olive oil, its the only frying i do so cant be to bad.
Is flax oil semi green? Wierd, i really haft to make sure i get the right stuff, (working with translation here all the time, so it wouldnt be to good if i wind up drinking something very bad for me).

Good call on mixing it up with my daily shake, i will defenitly try that one..

Btw, Omega 3, i was just reading some about it and im alittle confused, is it good or what ?

I'd move to baking your chicken and getting your fat by ingesting the flax oil.

Try to get a good quality flax - don't just buy the cheapie bottles. I buy the bigger bottles, costs like $29 and lasts me a couple of months. The better brands of flax oil take extra care to preserve lignan content (a natural, very healthy part of flax oil). Lignans are known cancer fighting agents and have many health benefits.

I mix my flax into chocolate ATW protein shakes. It's tastier that way. I can't imagine just sluggin' down a table spoon of that semi-green goo. Yuck. I use at least one protein shake per day, so I'm guaranteed to get it in at some point during the day.

-R

Well, vanilla extract cant be a bad thing, but what is splenda ?? Sounds pretty nice though..To bad i dont have a mixer.

I puree natural peanut butter and cottage cheese in the food processor and add a bit of splenda and vanilla extract. :drool: It's like cheesecake and ice cream :drool: You would never know, when eating it, that it is actually good for you!

I got a food processor for Xmas, so now making my own Natty PB and almond butter. Not really necessary, of course, but it's fun. :) Sides, the PB I made tastes and has the consistency of peanut butter cookie dough. :P

Baking my chicken will like never happen, cause my owen sucks and it takes to long time.

Might want to invest in a cheap little toaster oven. That's what I do. Works great, and I can cook one piece at time. I prefer to cook my food made-to-order. Precooking and reheating makes baked chicken too rubbery for my tastes.

Though I don't think frying in a little olive oil is likely a bad thing. The word "fry" just raises my hackles when you're speaking of a healthy diet, even if it is a healthier way to fry.

Is flax oil semi green? Wierd, i really haft to make sure i get the right stuff, (working with translation here all the time, so it wouldnt be to good if i wind up drinking something very bad for me).

Good call on mixing it up with my daily shake, i will defenitly try that one..

Btw, Omega 3, i was just reading some about it and im alittle confused, is it good or what ?

Flax contains Om-3 fatty acids; you're getting it anyway if you use flax oil. I used to use a cheaper Omega 3/6/9 oil, but when I read about the benefits of lignans, which is abundant in flax, and I talked to my health food supermarket guru (those guys are great!) I switched over to flax oil.

-R

A great way to cook chicken is to cut all the fat off, then put the chicken breasts in a pot. You then cover them with enough water to cover them, then cover the pot and boil for about 12-15 minutes. You know they're cooked when the meat reaches 160 degrees.

You can cook all your chicken in one shot (I usually cook 12 chicken breasts at once), you can't burn it, you don't have to flip them while cooking and they are SO juicy! This is a great way to make chicken for the week on Sunday, and just refrigerate them. Plus, you don't have to wonder how much fat got absorbed in the frying process.

Also, Splenda is just artificial sweetener.

So there is no need to combine flax oil and omega 3 then ? Flax compared to omega3 is propalbly AlOT cheaper aswell. I bought Omega 3 today, il just use em up and then switch to flax i guess.

Might want to invest in a cheap little toaster oven. That's what I do. Works great, and I can cook one piece at time. I prefer to cook my food made-to-order. Precooking and reheating makes baked chicken too rubbery for my tastes.

Though I don't think frying in a little olive oil is likely a bad thing. The word "fry" just raises my hackles when you're speaking of a healthy diet, even if it is a healthier way to fry.



Flax contains Om-3 fatty acids; you're getting it anyway if you use flax oil. I used to use a cheaper Omega 3/6/9 oil, but when I read about the benefits of lignans, which is abundant in flax, and I talked to my health food supermarket guru (those guys are great!) I switched over to flax oil.

-R

So u make the chicken, do u then put it in the fridge or in the cooler (not sure this is the correct term) when u store it the rest of the week? Otherwise, sounds pretty good, i shall try it out someday..

A great way to cook chicken is to cut all the fat off, then put the chicken breasts in a pot. You then cover them with enough water to cover them, then cover the pot and boil for about 12-15 minutes. You know they're cooked when the meat reaches 160 degrees.

You can cook all your chicken in one shot (I usually cook 12 chicken breasts at once), you can't burn it, you don't have to flip them while cooking and they are SO juicy! This is a great way to make chicken for the week on Sunday, and just refrigerate them. Plus, you don't have to wonder how much fat got absorbed in the frying process.

Also, Splenda is just artificial sweetener.

Bulk bought frozen chicken breasts taste horrible to me, and I can't afford the decent ones, so the chicken that I do have, I trim the fat, dice it, stir fry it in a non stick wok with a bit of sesame oil, garlic and add soy sauce to flavour. The chicken keeps for quite some time, the only problem is, their so morish that I keep eating...

Thats about how ii do it now. I add some salt, pepper and curry after dizing everything up. Then fry it in alittle Olive oil, its pretty tasty actually. But i do it each day, which is alittle tiresome.

Bulk bought frozen chicken breasts taste horrible to me, and I can't afford the decent ones, so the chicken that I do have, I trim the fat, dice it, stir fry it in a non stick wok with a bit of sesame oil, garlic and add soy sauce to flavour. The chicken keeps for quite some time, the only problem is, their so morish that I keep eating...

Bulk bought frozen chicken breasts taste horrible to me...

I've been eating Tyson bulk chicken for two years. Defrost, a little bread crumbs or Shake 'n Bake ... or lemon pepper marinate or somethin' on top to flavor it a little, bake, done. Tastes great to me. For all the fowl I eat, I'm gonna start growing feathers soon...

-R

For all the peanut butter I eat, I must be going nuts... *groan*

I just checked out the peanut butter I have the moment.
94% peanuts, brown cane sugar, palm oil, salt.
Not ideal, but tastes damn good on wholemeal toast mmmmmm *munch*

Just finished a workout with weights. Did a test, mixing bulk (35%carbs, 40% protein) and 200ml of orange juice. Results were pretty good actually. Giving me a drink of 328 calories, 66% carbs, 33% protein. It tasted ok, nothing id drink for pleasure, but i didnt feel like throwing up either :)

So there is no need to combine flax oil and omega 3 then ? Flax compared to omega3 is propalbly AlOT cheaper aswell. I bought Omega 3 today, il just use em up and then switch to flax i guess.

Unfortunately - NO. I'm afraid Bluestreak is not quite correct here. Yes they are all omega-3, but they are very different omega-3 which have different and necessary functions.

The fish oil I use is lemon flavored which makes it fine to drink and I have never had the 'fish burps'. - Can't quite remember what it is called now.

There was an extensive thread on this (and fats in general) recently.

Also as far as the chicken goes, I've gone back to frying mine - sometimes without oil in a non-stick pan. Actually since I consume 1-3 teaspoons of Olive oil/day what I usually do is add what I want to the dish and drink any remainder off the spoon (I calculated that one large desert spoon of mine is exactly 1 teaspoon). If you don't want to fry, you can always add olive oil to salads and other dishes.

I do trim off as much fat a s possible before frying, and for fattier meats I bake or grill.

It's really the 'deep frying' that is a problem. I know many people that assume that when I talk about frying chicken, they think I mean 'deep frying' breaded chicken - like KFC or something.

As a side note, for those just beginning with these quantities, 1 tablespoon is usually NOT one spoonful of your largest kitchen spoons. Use water and see how many spoonfuls it take to get to 1/4 cup. 1 tablespoon is 1/4 of that number or 1/16 of a cup. It is actually quite a bit of liquid. I never use as much as 1 tablespoon to fry anything in. 1 teaspoon is quite a bit and 40 good fat calories.

Yeah, it's confusing that there's both eating and measuring teaspoons and tablespoons. When measuring, always use the measuring kind of teaspoon or tablespoon, like these... most grocery stores have them for around $3.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001HK7BE.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

About fat in chicken. It says my chicken is about 4% fat. But how does this number change with cutting of all visiable fat on the chicken before frying it ?

Also, since there seems to be some different wievs on flax oils and omega 3, il just take alittle of both each day.

Also, since there seems to be some different wievs on flax oils and omega 3, il just take alittle of both each day.

I gotta recall this from memory... I can't remember what they stand for and I'm trying to sew things up at the office so I can take off. :tucool:

Fish Oil is really the only good, handy source we can get of the first two types of Omega-3 - EPA and DHA. ALA (alpha linolenic acid) is the third kind of Omega-3. My research tells me that ALA, which is found in flax oil, breaks down into EPA and DHA - which are more easily used by the human body. They have a zillion health benefits from reducing cancer risk to acting as natural anti-inflammatories.

If you use fish oil, you get EPA and DHA already broken down for your body. If you ingest flax oil, which contains ALA, you get it indirectly because your body will take the ALA and break it down into EPA/DHA.

Omega-6's are more complex and they're forms of linolenic acids. There's three major types of LA for Omega six... and a fourth one I can't remember.

So the reason you'll find me pimping flax w/lignans is because it is a rather all-encompassing solution, as I believe, to getting those three types of Omega-3.

Someone c'rect me if'n I am wrong, please.

-R

If you use fish oil, you get EPA and DHA already broken down for your body. If you ingest flax oil, which contains ALA, you get it indirectly because your body will take the ALA and break it down into EPA/DHA.

-R

I beleive this is correct, but I have read that this is not a particularly efficient process and that you may limit your EPA and DHA. Sorry, I should have mentioned it in my previous post which was perhaps too blunt, and possibley even incorrect since I don't know for sure that taking the fish oil as well as the flax has significant benefits.

Anyway, I think that previous thread I mentioned had a good discussion so you can decide for yourself whether the fish oil is worth talking. Or mabe do some more investigation. Certainly if you eat fatty fish regularly and take flax I would think you would get enough EPA and DHA, even if you did not get it all from the fish.

Anyway, I think that previous thread I mentioned had a good discussion so you can decide for yourself whether the fish oil is worth talking.

Actually, I'd be interested in knowing how right you are, Edge. If it's more bioavailable through fish oil, I'll starting buying the O-3/6/9 that I used to get and throw it in now and again. It's not a major investment at $9 a bottle.

-R

typically how much peanut butter doesn one consume a day? i know it varies but im just curious as to a general size. For instance when counting calories is new to someone they suggest for one to just eat portion sizes of protein and carbs etc. So does one eat a portion size of peanut butter a day?

For instance when counting calories is new to someone they suggest for one to just eat portion sizes of protein and carbs etc. So does one eat a portion size of peanut butter a day?A portion or serving of peanut butter is, according to the label on Smuckers, 2 tablespoons (measured). That's 210 calories. If you're trying to eat about 400 calories a meal, then that's half of your meal.

wow thats small. okay thanks.
thats not even peanut butter sandwich size.

It's all on the label, just look on the back of the jar. Those labels can be your best friend when you're not sure how much of something to eat.

yeah i was just curious because to me a teaspoon is really small. when i used to eat peanut butter i used eat it like a meal... i made sure that sandwhich was packed with peanute butter to the size of a regular hamburger. so now that i am looking i find out that a teaspoon or twoo is a serving and it just messes with my head and what im used too thats all. a teaspoon is childsplay and only teases me... makes me want more. just a little wierded out thats all.

Not a teaspoon, a tablespoon. That's a lot bigger.

lol i always get that crap confused. still kinda small. :D

Ok, just tried out PB with Cottage Cheese (onion flavor) and wouldnt you know it, it tasted great :=)
If u havnt tried it, do cause you will like it. And it got alot of good fats and good protein aswell..