Hiya's,

I understand that taking dextrose with your post workout protien does the whole spikey insulin, get there faster, grow big and strong thing :)

but how do you take dextrose? in what format? Are there dextrose tablets you can buy from the chemists? is it another stupidly priced bottle to buy from the supliments companies? can you just throw in 2 spoons of sugar?

pure dextrose is actually super cheap

like 1$/pound.

you can get it in 1 or 2 pound bags at most health food stores.

what I do is mix it with unsweetend coolaid and drink post workout it with my unflavored whey protein. :tucool:

or if you use creatine with it, you have essentially made home made "cell-tech" for 1/10th the price!

ah i swear not a day goes by that i don't pick up on an americanism on one of the boards i read :)

What exactly is coolaid? :D first time i heard of it was eminem drinking it in the clean version of one of his songs lol.

Anyway, i'll try a local heathfood shop and see how i get on, is it usually just labeled dextrose? does it specificly need to be dextrose? I don't want the clueless sales person telling me fructose or some other sugar type is the same thing :)

dextrose/corn sugar.
fructose is not the same thing :p

cool aid = fruit favor juice powder (but you can get it with no sweetner or sugar added so you can sweeten it yourself.

the adds had the big "drink jug character" smashing through the wall back in the 80's!

I thought those comercials were everywhere!

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0861/k.gif

(I am in Canada by the way - I forgive you for calling me an American ;)

Dload this vintage kool aid commercial! (http://www.x-entertainment.com/downloads/commercials/koolaid.html)

I think you can get it really cheap in homebrew shops, and in quantitiy too.

I think you can get it really cheap in homebrew shops, and in quantitiy too.


I looked into my homebrew shop, they carry 10 pounds for $10. Not bad.


Jerry

isn't 'splenda' the sweetener packets dextrose and maltodextrose? your can get that just about anywhere, walmart, walgreens, etc. wherever you can find 'sweet and low' and 'equal'. they're $2 for a 50 pack

isn't 'splenda' the sweetener packets dextrose and maltodextrose? your can get that just about anywhere, walmart, walgreens, etc. wherever you can find 'sweet and low' and 'equal'. they're $2 for a 50 pack


Dextrose is 'corn sugar' and looks like a fine ground sugar. Splenda is a sugar substitute made from regular sugar, but apparently processed with chlorine. Others on the board have more information on the Splenda process.


Jerry

Gatorade powder is also rich in dextrose (hence so many people use it).

I personally get my Dextrose (11lbs. for $10) from http://www.supplementdirect.com

I went out today to pick up some dextrose and had a heck of time finding it at grocery store. Came home and googled "buy dextrose" and found that a great source are Smarties Candies . Practically 100% dextrose with some food coloring thrown in.

I found this info on a diabeties related website with a list of top dextrose foods commonly found. Smarties were at the top of the list but many similar type candies are ranked up there with them. The list was ranked by amount of dextrose/cost.

I went out today looking for Dextrose at local health shops.

2 didn't have anything at all, final one had something titled -

Glucose
(dextrose powder)

Ingredients are 100% Dextrose monohydrate

right stuff? the fact that dextrose powder was called GLucose kinda threw me. Best after this was some 82% dextrose energy tablets

how much do we need after a workout section? 5mg?

So it's beneficial without taking creatine? I always associated creatine use with dextrose for gains?

BTW - Powerade powder's main ingredient is dextrose followed by sucrose, vs. Gatorade powder which is I think fructose/sucrose, followed by dextrose.

Also Powerade powder has less sodium than Gatorade powder.

EDIT : it also has B vitamins added.

Yeah whats a good ammount to take a scoop of Powerade mix is approx 20g (mostly sugars).

bump bump :) i'd still like to make sure dextrose monohydrate is the right stuff/best stuff and lots asking about how much/if to take with their protien/creatine

I order my Maltodextrin and Dextrose from www.blackstarlabs.com. $25 dollars for 5lbs of each, shipping included. The nutrition label also comes with each. I ad 1/2 Scoop of each to 2 Scoops Whey protein. It tastes great, especially with ONs Chocolate Mint Whey.

So whats better Maltodextrin or Dextrose? muscle-bulding wise...

I order my Maltodextrin and Dextrose from www.blackstarlabs.com. $25 dollars for 5lbs of each, shipping included. The nutrition label also comes with each. I ad 1/2 Scoop of each to 2 Scoops Whey protein. It tastes great, especially with ONs Chocolate Mint Whey.

So 1 whole scoop of essentially pure sugar per shake for most people?

That sounds like a hell of a lot of sugar

about 18-20g of sugar... whats Cell-Tech got?

I think any sugar will work(I could easily be wrong). The idea is to get an insulin spike, So any simple carb should do the trick. I think dextrose is cheap and easily measured mixed and taken. I think if you drank a gatorade you would get the same result. The Insulin transports the protein and creatine into your muscles. So don't sweat it too much about exactly what sugar. If anyone knows otherwise, please respond.

don't take them as gospel....

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par27.htm

quote: To make the best possible blend, it is recommended that the carbohydrates be a 50/50 blend of dextrose (glucose) and maltodextrin. The dextrose will be absorbed very quickly and be put to work. But why not make it all dextrose you ask? Because glucose is actively transported across the cellular membrane into the muscle [9], there is a limit to the amount that can cross at any given time. Overloading the system can lead to it being oxidized, meaning that not all of it may end up in the muscles. Instead, we include maltodextrin, which takes a fraction longer to reach the ambush cite, and we are better able to create anabolic fusion.

and

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi3.htm

Quote: Maltodextrin is a glucose polymer (a string of glucose units put together, similar to the protein peptide). It is therefore, by definition, a complex carbohydrate. However it's more complex nature does NOT slow digestion. Therefore, the GI and II remain high. Maltodextrin is the absolute best carbohydrate to consume during exercise for rapidly delivering blood glucose and for muscle glycogen recovery. It's also best for fluid uptake.

Dextrose (glucose) is a simple carbohydrate unit (similar to the amino acid). While it's good for exercise situations (malto is better), you're probably better off adding some dextrose to your maltodextrin formula. A little bit of dextrose may enhance the already excellent fluid uptake that occurs with maltodextrin during exercise.

Fructose is a simple carbohydrate unit, but it's structurally different from glucose. Due to its structure, it can possibly cause GI problems and/or decrease fluid uptake with exercise. Fructose, unlike other simple carbs, has to be "treated" in the liver and it reaches the muscle slowly.

Finally, sucrose consists of glucose and fructose units bonded together. Therefore, upon digestion, you get glucose and fructose in the GI (and the benefits and consequences of each).



ok, who's got a good common source of maltodextrin? :whistle:

Thanks djerickd, that was very helpfull, exactly what i was looking for :)

but why do i get the feeling i will be able to get Maltodextrin from my prefered supliment supplier for the low low price of only $99 per gram....

$99 a gram?!?! what? thats ludicris!

now that you mentioned about dextrose, maltodextrin, and sucralose, i was just thinking baout splenda again. these are all the ingredients in splenda, the sweetener. this is what i'm using to raise my insulin postworkout. is this sufficient since anything that could spike insulin levels is beneficial after workout?

SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener contains sucralose (SPLENDA® Brand Sweetener), the no calorie sweetener made from sugar, so it tastes like sugar, with no unpleasant aftertaste. SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener can be used virtually anywhere sugar is used. It can also be used in cooking and baking in a variety of recipes. Like many no and low calorie sweeteners, SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener also contains a very small amount of the common food ingredients, dextrose and/or maltodextrin, for volume. Because the amount of these ingredients is so small, SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener still has an insignificant calorie value per serving and meets FDA's standards for "no calorie" sweeteners.

$99 a gram?!?! what? thats ludicris!

It was sarcasm :cool:

It would be about normal for this area if one thing works and is super cheep from your local supermarket but the supliment companies all recomend something slightly different which costs about 100 times more.

It was sarcasm :cool:

It would be about normal for this area if one thing works and is super cheep from your local supermarket but the supliment companies all recomend something slightly different which costs about 100 times more.

I know what you mean! :D

Anyone find a good source for Maltodextrin?

The only place I could find it was here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/asn/carb.html

OK, I found a local brewery supply outlet which sells maltodextose and dextrose. Their website indicates that the maltodextrose is composed of .5% dextrose, 2.5% Maltose, 3.5% maltoriose and 93.5% higher saccaharides.

I'm curious about the ingrediants. What is this 93.5% higher saccahrides? Should I stay away from it and go for the cheaper plain dextrose.

The folks running the store are all cyclist and use their blend of maltodextrose for training purposes.

Well, since I didn't get any replies, I went out and bought the maltodextrose. Did my lifts and then proceeded to make my PWO drink. I put 35 g of malto in 150 ml of water and added 10 g of creatine. I swear, I was bouncing off the walls after 10 minutes. It was like liquid crack. My pupils opened fully, I was getting shivers/chills (good feeling) and the my wife asked what the heck I was on. I can't imagine what it would do to the kids if they got a hold of it :lol:

Now, six hours later, I'm crashing hard from the sugar down. It's all groovy, man. I sure beats eating 2-3 rolls of smarties candy. I can't wait till my next malto fix. :D

Is there any reason not to use plain old white sugar (sucrose) in a post workout shake?

Is there any reason not to use plain old white sugar (sucrose) in a post workout shake?

well as was refrenced to in anohter post sucrose has a combination of fructose and dextrose chains in it... fructose may cause gi problems and although it is still a simple carb it reaches the muscle slower...so stick with dextrose and malto for pwo

This is where I buy my maltodextrine: http://www.1fast400.com

Not quite as cheap as dextrose, but still won't break the bank.

I bought a jug of it over 2 months ago. My fiance and I both use it 5 days a week, and the container is still half full. The price per use is so low.

honeslty, i dont think it makes that much diff if u just take whey and water. When cutting especially, i would rather save the cals as a meal