In cutting phase right now - so I know to stay away to dairy just fine. But as the rule of thumb goes, anythign solid at room temp has saturated fats (bad).


obviously milk aint solid! I use it in my PWO shakes in the morning and night, wondering if it needs to go during cutting. THanks

In cutting phase right now - so I know to stay away to dairy just fine. But as the rule of thumb goes, anythign solid at room temp has saturated fats (bad).


obviously milk aint solid! I use it in my PWO shakes in the morning and night, wondering if it needs to go during cutting. THanks

It's more calories. I would keep the milk since it is the most nutrional way to get your 3 servings of dairy just make sure it is skim.

..., anythign solid at room temp has saturated fats (bad)...

So what about fruits, veggies, potatos, grains...? They seem pretty solid to me, and their % in saturated fat is like nothing, I'd say.

Although, keep in mind that if you are mixing whey with milk, the milk will slow the absorption of whey. Best to mix with water after the workout for quicker absorption -- But good to mix with milk before going to bed (will be absorbed more gradually and keep steady protein supply through the night).

While technically I agree with Joe- the milk slowing absorbtion thing I have never seen proved to make any difference with the average person. The studies I've read showed a microscopically small difference in some subjects. Now if you are an uktra-fine-tuned bodybuilder who manages every second of their day and intake... maybe.

Milk/calcium has also been seen as beneficial in fat loss.

Milk has a couple of things against it in a cutting phase. First, it's basically pure sugar. Second, dairy is known to cause subcutaneous fluid retention, obscuring musculature. I don't avoid it altogether, but I minimize its use while cutting.

-R

Milk is more calories then its worth.

For the benefits that it provides, the negative points far outweigh them. Whilst the sugar isnt the worst kind you can have, and the protien is benificial, its just too much calories when cutting. You could have water in your shake and add some extra cottage cheese to your diet and the calories would be the same. I know what id rather have.

However, when bulking, milk is your friend. :nod:

Milk has a couple of things against it in a cutting phase. First, it's basically pure sugar. Second, dairy is known to cause subcutaneous fluid retention, obscuring musculature. I don't avoid it altogether, but I minimize its use while cutting.

-R

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As long as you make sure to count in the calories from the milk into your diet and your macronutrient ratios, then it is just fine for cutting. Obviously as some people here have said, it can hinder you from getting to those ultra low body fat percentages (<10%), but otherwise it is perfectly fine. I have two servings of fat free milk a day, along with a cup of fat free cottage cheese in the evenings, and my cutting is going great!

As long as you make sure to count in the calories from the milk into your diet and your macronutrient ratios, then it is just fine for cutting. Obviously as some people here have said, it can hinder you from getting to those ultra low body fat percentages (<10%), but otherwise it is perfectly fine. I have two servings of fat free milk a day, along with a cup of fat free cottage cheese in the evenings, and my cutting is going great!

I agree. I used to be anti-milk, but I then changed my stance as I saw no benefit when I removed milk for 2 months. I do not think someone who is cutting should consume more than maybe 1-2 cups of milk per day, but if you keep it within your calorie intake and don't drink it at every meal, the negative effects will be minimal.

Also, it bears repeating, low fat diets are bunk. The only kind of fat you should really be worried about avoiding while cutting is trans fat, which is borderline poisonous and slows fat loss. Saturated fat, while not especially good for you, is fine, provided you watch the calories.

The good fats (fish, olives, and nuts) are very important for fat loss, and you should be eating plenty of them, about 20% of your overall calorie intake. If you eat too little fat, you will not make progress.

Dead fat on the outside of your body does not equal living fat on the inside of your body! For cutting purposes, they're homonyms, not synonyms.

It's not the fat in milk that's trouble, it's the sugar. So skim milk isn't really any better for you than whole milk, except that it has fewer calories.

It's not the fat in milk that's trouble, it's the sugar. So skim milk isn't really any better for you than whole milk, except that it has fewer calories.

True, and that is why I drink the skim milk. It has less calories and I get my fats from other sources throughout the day. The sugar in the milk is always accounted for in my diet plan and my macronutrient ratios.

Remember that you only want Fat Free Skim Milk. I have a little milk each day. A half-cup in my breakfast cereal, and then a cup in my Protein Shake. I make sure it is Fat Free Skim Milk so that it will not slow my protein absorbtion. The sugars should actually help it some.

Love the 1 %. The benefits definitely outweigh the negatives.

Try lactose-free, fat-free milk.

Tastes just like skim if you ask me and doesn't have the lactose (which may cause a lot of the things Bluestreak mentioned).

Me, personally, I stay away from dairy products unless its a cheat (ie cheesburgers, pizza, milk chocolate, ice cream, etc)

Try lactose-free, fat-free milk.

And exactly how expensive is this "milk" in comparison to skim milk? One of the reasons why I do not switch to one of the milk alternatives is that they are prohibitively expensive on a college student's budget.

And exactly how expensive is this "milk" in comparison to skim milk? One of the reasons why I do not switch to one of the milk alternatives is that they are prohibitively expensive on a college student's budget.

In my market it's noticebly more, but then regular milk is an outrageous $3.80 a gallon here. Drink milk.

In my market it's noticebly more, but then regular milk is an outrageous $3.80 a gallon here. Drink milk.

I buy my milk from SAMS (it is only 0.5 miles from my home), and there it costs $2.87/gallon for skim.

And by Skim Milk you guys just mean 1% milk, right?

Ok so for practical usage, the things to keep in mind - Obviously accounts for calories in diet, better for use at night than after work out, 1-2 cups per day, and obscures those beefy muscles!

Which is kinda confusing when they say that milk builds good muscles? Well, nobody said anything about hiding the muscle, so i guess they are staying true to their word

I hav been bulking for about 3 months and i've been drinking a bag of milk every day. I have put on about 15 lbs. I'd say some of that is from growing (i'm 14) about 8 lbs are from muscle and a small amount is from fat. I recently noticed that a glass of 2% milk has roughly 40% of your daily vitamin A intake (atleast the milk I buy). As most of us know vitamin A can be toxic to the body. So now i don't drink it so much. BUT ITS GREAT FOR WHEN YOUR BULKING

vitamin a is toxic ?

or are you just talking about OD, because it is a fat soluble vitamin

When I mean skim milk, I mean Fat Free Skim Milk, not 1% milk.

And by Skim Milk you guys just mean 1% milk, right?

Ok so for practical usage, the things to keep in mind - Obviously accounts for calories in diet, better for use at night than after work out, 1-2 cups per day, and obscures those beefy muscles!

Which is kinda confusing when they say that milk builds good muscles? Well, nobody said anything about hiding the muscle, so i guess they are staying true to their word

When I say skim milk, I mean fat free milk. Fat free=Skim. It has always been that way every day of my life.

I don't really like milk (I use water in my protein shakes) but when I do need it on a serving of Kashi or something I use the Hood low carb milk.